Banco Latinoamericano de Comercio Exterior, S. A. Price & Performance (BLX)

As you know, during this call, we will discuss historical as well as forward looking information. When talking about the future, there are a variety of risk factors that have been listed in our different filings with security regulators. Which can materially change our estimated results. So these documents are all available for consultation at SEDAR+ca. In our webcast presentation document, the disclosure results are presented both on a consolidated basis and on a combined basis. When talking about the results, we generally refer to combined numbers And when referring to cash flow and balance sheet, we generally refer to consolidated numbers. So please note that combined is an non GAAP financial measure and does not have standardized meaning under the IFRS. Accordingly, combined may not be comparable to similarly named measure used by other companies. So for more details, see the non IFRS and other financial measures section in the MD and A. So the press release, the MD and A consolidated financial statement and a copy of today's presentation are all posted on the Biolex website at bogalex.com under the Investor Sinks. If you wish, sorry, to receive a copy of these documents, please contact me So Mr.

Dakos will now start with his comments Please go ahead, Patrick. You, Stephane, and good morning, everyone. It's a pleasure for me to present our results and achievement for the fourth quarter and fiscal year twenty twenty four. An environment with a lot of noise, we stayed focused on the execution of our plan in the past year, creating value in our four key geographies Canada, The U. K, The U. S. And France. We have developed strong expertise and in this region and we will continue to capitalize on our project pipeline to produce cost competitive renewable energy at rate of returns in line with our objectives and market expectations. We closed a record 1,200,000,000.0 Canadian in long term financing, including bridge loans for federal investment tax credit in Canada, for our project under construction. We continue to optimize all aspect of our business and we maintain a very solid financial position. Of renewable companies remains strong driven by the increasing demand for electricity in many regions. In terms of financial performance, overall for fiscal year twenty twenty four, combined production was 2% lower than in 2023 and eight percent below anticipated production. Wind conditions in France and to a lesser extent in Canada have been weaker than expected for a good part of the year.

Our diversification in The U. S. Helped us in 2024 with wind conditions in this region being higher than expected.

As a result, our financial performance in 2024 is below our expectations a combined operating income of €267,000,000 and a combined EBITDA of €670,000,000 down 1% from 2023. Bruno will cover later in more details our fourth quarter During the year 2024, we made good progress on the construction of our Lime Kiln project in Scotland and our Aptuit project in Quebec.

I'm very pleased to announce that Lion King is connected to the grid after a small delay from the grid in Scotland. The project is now successfully going through the testing phase and should be fully commissioned April. The commencement of operations at our first wind farm in Scotland marks a significant milestone for Borrelliks. Would like to acknowledge our team's efforts and accomplishment over the past years. Starting in 2025, we will benefit from increased revenue and cash flow diversification. During the last quarter of twenty twenty four, we also closed the acquisition of [indiscernible] 145 megawatt wind project under development and the adjacent 50 megawatt battery project located in Scottsdale, Our UK team already has an extensive experience in this area and is looking forward to bring Clash and Dharok through the remaining stages of development. Finally, we are preparing ourselves to submit bids in the AR7 RFP later this year. Regarding the construction of our Aqwit project in Quebec, we have faced some difficulties on-site with one of our contractor which combined with harsh winter conditions delayed the the COD by few months. The experience enables us this experience enabled us to reinforce our project management and controls for upcoming project.

In particular, our Danish Sudpru wind project. For which commissioning is scheduled in 2026, will benefit from our learnings. It entered construction phase with the start of on-site work for roads leading to the base of the turbines. In Ontario, the construction of our two battery storage project Acresville and Tilbury, are advancing [indiscernible] with commissioning scheduled by the end of this year. We announced the financing of both projects during the last quarter of the year on very good terms, including bridge loan to finance the investment tax credits to which the project are eligible. Finally, on the development side, twenty twenty four was a very good year for BORALEX. Our portfolio of projects under development and gross pass is now totaling over eight gigawatt in high growth potential markets a 1.2 gigawatt increase over 2023. I would like now to cover market conditions by region. Starting with The United States, where there is a lot of uncertainty on potential policy changes. So far, the executive orders that were signed by the new U. S. Administration have no direct impact on our operations and we don't expect major changes in low that would affect our activities, but we remain vigilant.

As electricity demand in The United States is increasing, mainly driven by growth in U. S. Manufacturing and the we believe overall that this situation could even bring opportunities and that we need to stay focused long term strategy. In Canada, Quebec and Ontario remain strong potential growth market for Boralex. We are in discussions with Hydro Quebec about partnerships for large project as well as RFP to come for smaller projects. We are well positioned in this market with strong local expertise and good relationships with First Nations and communities. Our three times 400 megawatt projects in partnership with Hydro Quebec and Energir, Denech Choudh, Charlevois and Denech West, are very good example of how Hydro Quebec would like to develop large projects going forward. In Ontario, the government has increased the target for additional capacity from five gigawatt to 7.5 gigawatt by 02/1934 to meet soaring energy demand. In 2024, with the selection of the Oxford Boralex project, we consolidated our position as a leading developer in the battery storage technology in Ontario. Our team there is now building a pipeline of wind projects to be ready for the upcoming rounds of RFPs. In Europe, the Labour Party's election in The UK is very promising, for the renewable energy sector.

The government objective over the next five years is to double the onshore wind capacity from 14 to 28 gigawatt an increase battery storage installed capacity by five times from five to 25 gigawatt along with significant investments in the modernization and expansion of the electrical grid. I will now rapidly cover the main variances in our portfolio. In 2024, the pipeline of development project increased by over 1.1 gigawatt totaling seven gigawatt. The pipeline change was a result of the addition of wind, solar and storage projects in Europe and North America in the early stage for roughly 1.8 gigawatts and the transition of project to the mid advanced and secured stage in Europe and North America. The gross pass now consists of nearly one gigawatt of wind, solar and battery storage project.

The evolution of the growth path mainly included the transition of two storage project and one wind project in North America to the under construction or ready to build stage.

The commissioning of three wind projects and one solar project in Europe for 84 Megawatt.

I have already talked about our major achievements in line with our strategic directions and long term objective. But you can find additional details in the slide of the webcast and in our MD and A. This completes my part I will now let Bruno cover the financial portion in more detail and will be back later for the question period.

Thank you, Patrick. Good morning, everyone. I will start with the financial highlights of the quarter. Total combined production was down 11% compared to the same quarter last year and 12% lower due to unfavorable weather conditions in France and to a lesser extent in Canada when comparing to anticipated production. As a result, our combined EBITDA amounted to $191,000,000 down $38,000,000 and consolidated AFFO amounted to $47,000,000 down 44,000,000 compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. I will now review the progress made in the past four years in light of our 2025 corporate objectives.

First, our installed capacity went from 2.2 gigawatts in 2020 to 3.2 gigawatts at the end of twenty twenty four. We 2024 operating income and EBITDA are comparable to 2023 levels. Our reinvestment ratio is in line 50% to 70% target at 57%.

We are more than ever focused on the disciplined execution of our plan this growth environment. As we are making good progress on organic growth with over 0.7 gigawatt of capacity under construction the current gap to meet our 2025 targets is mainly attributable to M and A assumptions embedded in our targets for which we have so far [indiscernible] found the appropriate targets and will only do if it meets our investment guidelines. In other words, we will continue to grow with discipline. [indiscernible] Total debt increased in 2024 to $4,000,000,000 with project debt now representing 89%. I would like to congratulate our finance team for securing dollars 1,200,000,000.0 in financing in 2024.

This achievement highlights our capability to close sophisticated financings on optimal terms providing enhanced financial flexibility to achieve our objectives.

I'll now provide more detailed information on our financial results for the fourth quarter starting with production. In North America sorry, I missed production In North America, total combined production for the quarter was 3% higher than the same quarter last year, but 5% lower than anticipated. Production from wind assets in North America was 9% higher compared to the same quarter last year, but 2% lower than anticipated. Production for the hydro sector 3% lower than anticipated. Due to unfavorable weather conditions in both Canada and The U. S. [indiscernible] Production from solar assets in The United States was 4% higher than the same quarter last year, but 13% lower than anticipated. In Europe, total production was 29% lower compared to the same quarter last year and 23% lower than anticipated mainly attributable to unfavorable wind conditions in France. As mentioned earlier, the decrease in production affected our revenues, EBITDA and AFFO, which were compensated in part by the contribution of new commission sites in France and our commercial strategy optimization. In conclusion, 2024 was a year of growth for Baralex as we continue to develop and execute our projects in our target markets maintaining a solid balance sheet and good financial flexibility.

Looking ahead, we are very excited for the year to come starting [indiscernible] with the commissioning of our projects, Lincoln and Scotland and Appriate in Quebec and the construction of our battery storage projects in Ontario. [indiscernible] We are also looking forward to present our new strategic plan 2025 to 02/1930 in the upcoming months. Will continue to be ambitious in our growth and diversification strategies while creating optionality in our capital allocation. In addition to securing optimized financing, we will be more proactive on asset recycling. We are also initiating a share buyback program as we believe our current stock price does not reflect the proper the proper long term value of our company. Thank you for your attention. We are now ready to take your questions.

Thank you.

We are ready to proceed with the question period. Okay. Sorry, everyone on the line. We're trying to reach out to the operator seems to be having a technical problem. [indiscernible] Just a second. We're seeing we're not hearing the operator So please stay tuned. We're trying to resolve this issue. Thank you. And our first question will come from Rupert Merer from NBF. Your line is now open.

Hi. Good morning, everyone. Can you hear me? [indiscernible] Okay. Operator, are you there?

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We are ready for the question period. Sorry, we had a technical issue here. We couldn't hear you. So we are ready for the question period.

Okay, perfect. Thank you. And our first question will come from Rupert Merer from NDF. Your line is now open. Thank you. Stefan, can you hear me?

Yes. How are you doing? Very good. Very well. Good. Sorry for that. So you No, no worries. You talked about the private equity activity that we saw in Quebec recently. Wondering does this have any impact on your view of the competitive landscape in Quebec and your future opportunities for investment in that Good morning, Rupert. What I think the first point is The recent transaction is providing Hydro Quebec more independence since there are no longer they will they are no longer shareholders of our competitor Innergex. With that, the demand is very, very important in Quebec. Hydro Quebec needs the participation of all the players to realize its plan on time. As I mentioned in my speech, I think Boralex is well positioned because we are The only one with experience of partnership in large wind project with Hydro Quebec and Energy And finally, the competition will make us better, but we're used to that.

Very good. And a follow-up on private equity valuations. Bruno, you highlighted that you could look to accelerate some asset recycling wondering where do you think are the best opportunities for recycling in Boralex's portfolio? Hi, Rupert. There's a few and we're looking a few years ahead in making sure that we plan these in advance as as you understand. We always look to recycle assets when we've created some value. And that we can have, for example, financial investors join us as we previously did very successfully in France selling down 30% And so if you for example, we've talked about the possibility in the execution currently we've we're looking to sell down or sell completely our our hydro assets. Which is something that makes sense from a valuation perspective at this time from our perspective. And there's additional elements in the portfolio that we're looking at in the future. [indiscernible] once we've created value, once we've, for example, built the asset and created some value where our teams can create value. And have partial sell down. So in some cases, it's going to be complete complete sell. In some cases, it's going to be partial sell downs.

All right, very good. I'll leave it there and get back in the queue. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question questions come from the line of Sean Stewart from TD Cowen. Cowen.

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Bruno, wondering if you can comment on your overall comfort with available liquidity and appreciate that this could be augmented by asset recycling, but when you're looking at the development pipeline over the next couple of years and I guess buyback ambitions with the NCIB in place now. Comfort with the current funding position relative to those demands on capital over the next couple of years?

Yes, Sean, thank you. We're very comfortable with the financial flexibility that we have today with over $500,000,000 five twenty three financial availability. Looking forward a year or two, we're very comfortable when we execute our plan. We've included some and successful so far in bridge financing, some of the ITCs. There will be further bridge financings for those ITCs. So we're quite comfortable for the looking forward twelve to twenty four months in our ability to use and to fund our growth. As I always say, that doesn't include M and A because M and A is unpredictable in size and timing. But certainly for the growth pipeline, we're quite comfortable with that position. And the asset recycling valuation I think you've seen evidence this week that private investors are looking at the long term value of these types of assets and are seeing significant additional value than the public markets is currently showing in our stock price. [indiscernible] Understood. And can you speak to perception of underlying value in your share price right now and it's a 10% buyback you're putting in place here. Perceived value in your shares versus opportunities for organic growth what that sort of spread looks like?

Yes. I think it's a capital allocation to two tool that was missing in our toolbox. We'll continue to invest and my answer, I think, points to that we have a financial flexibility to also invest in our program and do the share buyback program in and when we feel it's appropriate because we currently believe that our stock price is undervalued, and we want to use that program to give the right signal to the market that we're very confident in our in our growth. But it's addition to capital allocation. So as we see a good return on buying back some of our shares and we also have a deep pipeline of projects on which we see also very good returns. So we'll continue to invest significantly in our projects. The share buyback program is just an additional tool that we'll use efficiently. Okay.

Understood. That's all I have for now. Thank you.

Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Nicola Boychak from Cormark Securities. Please ask your question.

Thanks. Good morning, guys.

On the Abtuit construction issues, and the harsh winter delays, can you please expand a little bit on what happened there and why Nej will benefit from whatever learnings you're taking from that project?

Yes. Good morning, Nicolas. Essentially, the there was a delay To for the erection of the turbine and the finalization of the what we call the mechanical completion. And then you have this is a period where you have costs running because you have cranes on-site and people on-site. So We have as I mentioned, we have difficulties with one contractor. So we put other support from our internal team and also external support and the things are going better now. We have 31 turbines erected on 34 we are finalizing mechanical completion And that's where we are. So So you know that we experienced in Quebec a very, very tough winter with deep snow and freezing rain in December. So that lasts for the last three months. So that's where we are. We know that how to finalize the thing. And the team is looking to that. The second point on your question is how do we estimate and go deeply into the risk of the project before and the evaluation of the different risk that can happen in the project. We did that. But we could do better. And that's what we are doing for the other project Dinesh, typically, but also all the other projects that we have presently.

Okay, understood. Thanks.

We've also talked previously in the past about M and A possibly contributing to some of the gaps that you might have in the organic capacity. You're looking to add real to the 2025 target of hopefully having 4,500 or 4,400 megawatts of operating capacity Do you guys have anything in your sites right now especially given that you might be selling some hydro assets [indiscernible] [indiscernible] make a material acquisition? [indiscernible] Don't want to be too specific on targets, but generally you've seen that we are active in The UK on the M and A front growing that business in that market more quickly. So geographically, that's a key market where we're looking at to do more M and A. The U. S. Could be a target in certainly in the medium term. And that's where we're looking at different types of assets. But also teams and types of strategies to complement what we already have in those markets. So we want to grow these markets more quickly. By adding, for example, teams in The U. S. Or or some assets in The U. K, for example. Okay. Thanks Bruno. And the last one, you just on the investment grade credit rating, I know you've been seeking that for a while.

I appreciate the challenges in receiving that. Is there any update on when that might come?

And given the delay have there been any financial objectives you've been looking to do that you haven't been able to because you're waiting for that and therefore things you would want to do right away as soon as you get it. I'd say it's interest question. So we've essentially looked and put certainly quite some time in on the rating decision, I would say, because we've decided to delay that after having some discussions. Because it was certainly putting a constraint on our growth and the ability to allocate our capital in the most efficient way. So and to answer your question, we have not seen any limitation in our financing by not having the credit rating. So to me, the importance of the credit rating is to get to get more eventually more benefits. But those benefits we already have today with the balance sheet recognition by our financial partner. Financial partners We can we've seen you've seen the results of our $1,200,000,000 financings in 2024. At very good terms. So we continue to be able and for example, on the battery storage financing, this was these were the largest financings of storage in Canada. So certainly you've seen that we're able to continue to fund our growth without the investment grade rating.

The investment grade was putting constraint and we'll continue to reach for that but probably delay that by two, three years. Okay, understood. Thank you, guys.

We are now going to proceed with our next question And the next question comes from the line of Mark Jarvi from CIBC. Please ask a question.

Yes, thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just want to follow-up some more on the asset recycling commentary. How would you say those views have evolved over the last couple of quarters in terms of how firm of a plan you want to put in front of investors? Like would be the is there potential for sort of an asset rotation target like some other renewable companies put out there to try to show confidence to the market around different funding options and the runway for growth for the next couple of years?

I'll mark that. I'd mark first. I certainly will consider that in our presentation as we said in Investor Day upcoming in the next the next few months. We certainly have a clear plan of the criteria when we want to sell down assets, the valuations that we see in those assets whether as I said, it'd be partial divestitures or complete divestitures. And we can certainly give you more color on that in the at the Investor Day. We have strong confidence in the additional value that we can extract from some of our assets at the right timing And we'll put that on our key punch list for the Investor Day. For example, on the hydro assets, would you have already had some sort of indicative sense from either potential buyers around valuations on those assets? I'm just trying to understand how much confidence at this point you could put forward in terms of around where you think proceeds could come in over the next couple of years? Yes. We've had well, we can certainly and I'm sure you can as well look at comps, look at recent transactions. Hydro assets are in demand. And as I said, we've started the process.

We have early at this point early indications, but we're quite confident in the possibility to obtain a significant value out of those assets. Sounds good. Maybe the next question is for both of you. Actually, in terms of the announcement this week and kind of sit there now, there's of your side, there's not that many other public companies out there.

The question around scale comes up. You think about minority asset sales or different types of partnerships, there anything else that starts to change your view in terms of what you would maybe want from a partner from from optionality around different things and how you do different things on procurement. So just curious in terms of Spreading sales across a number of partnerships versus starting to think about maybe more of a strategic align with one partner, [indiscernible] Hi, Mark. The first thing, the transaction reflect the strong value of renewable energy companies and the fact that the stock are too low in the sector presently. The demand is high. [indiscernible] [indiscernible] private investors who are sophisticated understand this value. That was the case with the IP in France. That is the case in this situation. And in other situation during the last twenty four months. So does that change For us significantly, the answer is we are always evaluating the right way to reduce our cost of capital, being nimble to do the project, have the financing, We are aligned management also to do the best for the shareholders of the company and for the clients and the partners.

So So there is different options of partnership and I would not say no to a global option also.

Okay. All right. Thanks.

We are now going to proceed We are now going to proceed with our next question The questions come from the line of Nelson Ng from RBC Capital Markets. Please ask your question.

Great, thanks. First question is just more of a clarification on the NCIB.

So you obviously haven't been too active on buybacks in the past. Do you see your NCIB as being something that you will definitely use and you've set an internal target to purchase repurchase certain number of shares or is this more of a I guess, an option where you could potentially buy back some shares if the shares stay at the current level or fall below a level?

Hi, Nelson. Thank you. We can certainly say yes to both. It's an option that will definitely use. So we're not this is not something theoretical. This is something we're putting in place. And as I said, we are I would believe that our stock price is undervalued. We'll continue to execute our plan to make sure that we demonstrate to the market that there are different valuation creation that we can do through our growth plan and we'll continue to do that and execute. But also, we'll use that additional tool which can provide a good return to our shareholders. Okay, great. That's clear. And then second question is relating to the growth path. So there are I think two forty three megawatts in the secured projects.

How much of that do you guys see falling into 2026 or are they mostly 2027 projects. I think that the big one there is Denaj Charlevoix.

Like is that more of a 2027 project? [indiscernible] is a 2027 project and we expect that another one I mentioned, which is called Denej West will be a 2028 project. Okay.

And the Oxford the Oxford project is also which is not secured yet. Near to be secured is 125 megawatt battery storage in Ontario. Is also a 2027 And then we have the Emmanuel and Atabasca project will [indiscernible] [indiscernible] Time and And after that, it's going to be The U. K. Eventually if if we get something out of the next RFP, but this is longer term. So it's not in our growth path right now. Okay. So $27,000,000 and $28,000,000 are filling up nicely.

And then just one other question I had was on project costs. Obviously for AppGrid, you had some construction delays and some cost issues, but from a, I guess, average cost per megawatt perspective, I think APUIT is about $3,800,000 per megawatt from a construction perspective, [indiscernible] closer to, I think it's like $2,400,000 per megawatt. Obviously, they're located in different parts of Quebec.

Have you just seen have you recently seen the cost of projects come down significantly or Or is it just that the Dinesh project, there's large economies of scale over there? Certainly, the Priyat project is an in a different region. So I think as you pointed out, more difficult conditions And We've had as Patrick mentioned, we've had some timing and weather difficult conditions. So that will make it a bit more expensive than the average project. The niche is in is an extension in a region where where we already have some assets. So I think that that makes a difference. There's Transporche, Coltenard is more remote [indiscernible] There's more it increases our BOP costs and our transportation costs. Among others. Okay.

That makes sense. And then just last one, I'm sure everyone loves to talk about tariffs. So the two Ontario projects Haggersville and Pillsbury that are expected to be completed at the end of this here.

Are all the battery I I guess first of all, are you sourcing batteries in The U. S? And if so, are they already on-site? And do you need to source anything else from The U. S. And is that and can you just comment about any potential risks of [indiscernible] tariffs being in effect. [indiscernible] We made all the analysis on the tariff risk It's a Tesla batteries, but they are already on-site indeed or near to come. So very very, very, very limited potential impact, very negligible. We're doing that on all the project that we have and there is as you know, for all companies, a lot of noise around this. But we are looking we're doing with our risk management team lots of different scenarios to see how we can protect us if there is tariff or and ore retaliation and everything we can imagine. But we're doing this job specifically on the project under construction, but also the project that will come to FID in the next months.

Okay, great. Thank you. I'll leave it there. Thank you.

We are now going to proceed with our next question The questions come from the line of Robert Hope from Scotiabank. Please ask your question. Your line is open.

Good morning, everyone.

Just one question for me. So you highlighted the kind of the discrepancy between the private and public valuations out there.

But I guess more specifically, how are development pipelines being valued versus operating assets? And if there is a discount on U. S. Development pipelines, does this provide an opportunity to accelerate your growth in that region, whether it's on the wind and or solar side? [indiscernible] Clearly, in my I think you know that the The pipeline today in the stock price is is there is no value on it. That's clear. Just to read all you and all your colleagues, that's the first point. The second point is there is clearly opportunities in different market We did we closed some transaction in The UK.

There is certainly opportunities in The U. S. And we're looking to that like we did with Infinergy three years ago and we have all the partners are still there. We consolidate the company there. Similar size of team and project platform could be of interest for us. And the important point is in which state in which states and Atwood level of development they are, but certainly there is interest And when you look to devaluation of, again, sophisticated investor that we obtained in France I know it was three years ago, but the pipeline ended the value of the team was high. So this is speaking about BORALEX. But there is on the other side opportunities today with people who are in situation where they need [indiscernible] larger player to have them to bring their project to to final investment decision and COD at the end.

So it's the key, it's It's one of the differences between public and private markets at the moment. The cost of capital and the valuation of aspects in addition to operating operating assets is more positive and valued by the private investors. And the private investors have quite a large sums of money to invest in the renewable sector. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you.

We are now going to proceed with our next question Wanted to go back to your comment around being proactive with asset sales and [indiscernible] your prepared remarks. Are you Are you pushing this more to fill a funding need that you're anticipating the years ahead or is this just a simple valuation exercise that you're moving forward with? You mean the the asset recycling is your question well, I'll try to answer and let me know if that my answer is is okay. Asset recycling for us is part of the both the financial and the general strategy I. E. Having partners in some assets at capital to our growth program. Because partners are not only buying something, but they're also providing additional capital for growth. Like in France where EIP contributes 30% of capital to the growth of our platform there. So it's part of the strategy overall, but it's also a financial tool and it's also Currently and has been for a while an arbitrage opportunity. So it's important for us to select the right partners because we want to be with them for the long term. So our partners are important.

The valuation that it provides and the cash is also important.

I don't know if that answers your question. [indiscernible] On your backlog, right now secured the thought process you can fund that with ITCs and free cash flow Is there a wedge there for asset sales to fill the gap? That's new or is the prior guidance's impact and this is just liquidity that you're trying to move forward with? It's It's part of the financing of the overall growth program. As you know, we're our growth is accelerating We are we have a larger pipeline We're seeing more growth opportunities in our markets as Patrick described. So it to us, it's a good way to essentially for to demonstrate to shareholders and that we're finding at the the lowest cost of capital, instead of issuing issuing equity, we're finding additional funds from partners at valuations that are accretive to our current shareholders.

Okay. I got you. And And just some of the comments here around the news this week and it looks like you're going to benefit from that in other ways more some harder assets and other assets that you see But when you think about the public versus private debate, Right now as you think about your business, or just your future going forward, Is there really a strong case to even stay public at all Because when I look at the private alternative, it just checks a lot of the boxes now in terms of your need for capital, your growth going forward? Like what is what is the huge benefit of being public this point in time? And maybe you could just talk generically to that Yes. Well, as you may know, I've been on the private side and I know CF of a publicly listed company. So I know both worlds. And both [indiscernible] types of vehicles have their pauses and minuses. Having diversified base shareholders and an organized market like the public markets, creates a bit more volatility as we've talked about. But certainly it's a continuous way to access the market, which is potentially deeper at the end than just having one shareholder. [indiscernible] we find ways to tap into the private market valuation at the same time having the benefits of of being a publicly listed company.

So there's pluses and minuses, but we're we are a listed company. [indiscernible] one. I know Patrick mentioned diversification helping you to some extent Mostly wind right now and you saw hydro become more wind, can you still achieve that [indiscernible] geographical diversification as the data suggested that gives you that or or the data is actually contradicting the diversification approach [indiscernible] [indiscernible] the wind in different area, you can see it in the versus U. S. Sorry, versus Canada versus France, the last quarters was already well diversified. The U. K. Investments today we are I was mentioning that line pins and air commissioning were already producing more than 60 megawatt in Lionkills because in the grid operation, we are just allowed to do this. But this means that there is a lot of wind there and it will be diversification from the French wind and the Canadian wind. So that's one point. The storage is a very important diversification. And finally, we are in a in a we have a strong development in New York and it's On the solar and this will be another diversification. The point doesn't on the hydro it will be since there is no development in hydro, if you look forward to 02/1930, it will become smaller and smaller in the revenue and the cash and the EBITDA, the cash flow And so the diversification advantage of hydro will be smaller.

And that's the reason why coming back to the The benefit of asset recycling is that we can crystallize this value with someone who will be interested to buy these assets. And so we get the value, [indiscernible] we can invest in other things. Going forward.

Okay, got it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question The question comes from the line of Rupert Merer from NBF. Please ask your question.

Hoping to get an update on your strategy in France. It looks like the pricing there is still pretty strong for you, but I know you have some short term contracts there that you'll have to think about recontracting soon. How soon strategy evolving? And can you give us an update on where you're at with your with your contract portfolio and how that might change over the next few quarters?

Yes.

There is different thing. The first is there is the first impact on The very short term, the eighteen months, which were exempt of price cap, that is an impact because that was a very beneficiary the last twenty four months for us. So that will come to an end. Obviously. On the other side, there is still strong demand from corporation. We have signed two contract in the fall and we have some other options that that are coming on this side for long term contract and new assets For existing assets, what we're doing also is diversifying the the off taker. There is different utility or utility kind, big big reseller of electricity that are interested to buy our electricity. And on our side, it's better to have more than one large buyer, what we have done in in 2022 when we signed with Axpo. There is obviously for existing asset the option of repowering that is depending on the price that we can get from brownfield PPA versus new repowering. And we have in the last tender you have seen that we have obtained a contract for the extension of a site, but also another contract for the reporing of the site and the return of the reporing are very high because there is lots of things that are already paid in this situation.

So we are looking to the different options. And there is lots of options because in Europe, lots of companies have SBTR target. They want to reduce their scope two in SBTI and so they have a lot of interest for our product.

Just one more thing to note also of interest in France is that the budget of 2025 was finally adopted. And there's no no cap Price cap is not extended in 2025 and no change for the this year so there will be noing back negatively from that perspective? So a couple of follow ups. First of all, how is the spread between the say, the price you might get from a corporate versus the government auction price. How is that looking? Is it getting more attractive? And more short term here, what's the impact on your portfolio into the next quarter given the the price dynamic that you see?

Yes. It's very sensitive to answer this question as you can imagine. So there is There is an interest from corporation which are driven by reducing their scope to and sometimes also by marketing. Value that they find in this. So So it's very difficult to comment Sorry. What I think is You have to see the government backed contract as a very interesting option. If you look to the last price, they were very good price coming back to the mid-80s in euro. And the reflexes that if we signed the corporate PPA it's because we have a better option by signing the corporate PPA for a specific project.

So that's where I can leave it.

Okay. That's very good. Thanks a lot, Rupert. This now concludes the question and answer session. As we have no further questions, I will now hand back to Mr. Stefan Milo for closing remarks.

Well, thanks, operator, and thank you everyone for your attention. If you have any additional questions, where to find me, (514) 213-1045. I'll make sure we quickly answer your questions. Colleen is also with me. Answering all your questions. So our next call announce first quarter results will be on Wednesday, May 14, at 09:30AM, which is usually the case when we have the AGM the same day. So we'll send you the invite in advance anyway for that specific day. So have a nice day everyone. Nice weekend and enjoy the nice weather that will come, I guess. Thank you.