Coherent, Inc. Price & Performance (COHR)

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. With me today are Jim Anderson, Coherent's CEO and Coherent Luther, Coherent's CFO Coherent. During today's call, we will provide a financial and business review of the second quarter fiscal twenty twenty five and the business outlook for the third quarter of fiscal twenty twenty five.

Our earnings press release can be found in the Investor Relations section of our company website at coherent.com Coherent.

I would like to remind everyone that during our conference call today, we may make projections or other forward looking statements regarding future events or the future financial performance of the company. We wish to caution you that such statements or predictions based on information that is currently available and that actual results may differ materially. We refer you to the documents that the company files with the SEC including our 10 ks's, 10 Qs and eight Ks. These documents contain and identify important risk factors that could cause the actual results to differ materially from those contained in our projections or forward looking statements. This call includes and constitutes the company's official guidance for the third quarter fiscal twenty twenty five. If at any time after this call, we communicate any material changes to this guidance, We intend that such updates will be done using a public forum such as a press release or publicly announced conference call. We will refer to both GAAP and non GAAP financial measures during this call. By disclosing certain non GAAP information, management intends to provide investors with additional information to permit further analysis of the company's performance and underlying trends. For historical periods, we provided reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to GAAP financial measures that can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website at coherent.com Let me now turn the call over to our CEO, Jim Anderson.

Thank you, Paul, and thank you everyone for joining today's call.

I'd like to start by thanking my Coherent teammates for the strong execution in our fiscal second quarter and the continued focus and great progress on dry For our fiscal second quarter, revenue increased by to a record $1,430,000,000 This was driven by growth in multiple areas, including strong AI related data a second quarter of sequential growth in our telecom revenue, and sequential growth across multiple key industrial end markets. As I mentioned when I first joined the company, in addition to growing the top line, expansion in our gross margin would be a strategic focus area for the company. Driven by parallel initiatives on both pricing optimization as well as product cost improvements. During our fiscal second quarter, we made solid progress towards our goal of achieving durable company wide gross margin of over 40% Q2 non GAAP gross margin of 38.2% marked strong improvement on both a sequential and year over year basis. While we have a lot more work to do on gross margin, I'm pleased with the team's focus and progress in this area. While we continue to invest in strategic R and D to fuel the long term growth the company we remain focused on driving greater operational leverage and efficiency across the company.

With revenue growth, gross margin expansion, disciplined OpEx management, we drove significant expansion in profitability in Q2. With non GAAP EPS growing over 40% sequentially and more than tripling on a year over year basis. Again, we have much more work ahead of us, but we remain focused on driving long term shareholder value. Let me shift gears and share some thoughts on our products and end markets. Starting with our data center and communications market, Q2 revenue increased 6% sequentially and by 58% year over year. The sequential and year over year increases were driven by another strong quarter of growth in our datacom revenue, and a second quarter of sequential growth in our telecom revenue. We achieved record Q2 datacom revenue, which grew 4% sequentially and by 79% year over year due to ongoing strong AI data We continue to see expansion in the number of customers adopting and ramped transceivers and below transceivers remained strong. Also continue to make solid progress on our 1.6t transceiver products. As we move through key engineering milestones with our customers, After delivering initial samples of our 1.66 datacom transceivers to customers last year, we remain on track to begin ramping sales in calendar 2025.

And we are seeing continued expansion of our customer engagements on 1.6 T. Even as we focus on the 1.6t ramp, we are investing and innovating for the future. We are both developing our 3.2T transceivers and investing in the key ingredient technologies that underlie our transceiver road map and that can support a variety of form factors of optical data transmission. We have the broadest and deepest portfolio in the industry of photonic technologies required for high speed optical data transmission. Our customers view our technology portfolio as an important competitive advantage of coherent in optical data transmission applications. Example, one of the key capabilities that we've had in house for over twenty years is our indium phosphide platform. Which is the key technology behind our EML and CW lasers.

The U. S. Government recently announced plans to use CHIPS Act funding to help with the expansion of indium phosphide capacity at our Sherman, Texas facility. In our fiscal Q2, our indium phosphide This enabled rapid year over year growth in our 800 gig transceiver product We expect to continue to expand our indium phosphide capacity over the coming quarters to support our long term growth in both EML and CW laser capacity. We also continue to execute on a roadmap of important ingredient laser tech 200 gig VCSELs and high power CW lasers for our silicon photonics solutions.

In addition to our key laser technologies, we are investing and innovating across a broad spectrum including optical lens arrays, Garnet, isolators, micro optics and thermal management solutions. Beyond transceivers and ingredient technology, our new data center optical circuit switch or OCS platform is progressing well and our customer engagements are expanding. This platform enables significant expansion in our data center addressable market and very pleased to announce that in Q2, we received our first customer order for this differentiated new platform. Unlike other mechanical MEMS based solution our platform uses field proven digital liquid crystal technology provides tremendous advantages to our customers. We expect initial OCS revenue in calendar 2025 and we'll share more details about this innovative product its revenue potential over the course of the coming quarters. In telecom, our Q2 revenue increased by 16% sequentially and by 11% year over year. Q2 is the second quarter in a row of sequential improvement. Revenue growth in Q2 was driven primarily by data center interconnect, with some improvement in the traditional transport market as well. We saw continued growth in the ramp of new products including our 100 gig, 400 gig and 800 gig ZRZR plus coherent transceivers and expect these products to continue to ramp over the coming quarters.

In our remaining markets, which are primarily industrial aggregate revenue increased 7% sequentially and was flat year over year. We saw sequential growth across multiple industrial end markets. In particular, display capital equipment grew on both a sequential and year over year basis. Ongoing display strength is being driven by demand for our highly differentiated eczema lasers for OLED screen manufacturing resulting from expanding OLED adoption in smartphones and the beginning of OLED adoption in larger format devices. Like new laptop and tablet computers. We also saw a healthy sequential and year over year growth in the semi cap equipment market. Where our lasers and advanced materials are critical enabling technologies for our we are still taking a cautious near term outlook on the broad based industrial end markets, We expect the industrial market to be a important long term secular growth driver for the company as the broader end markets eventually recover and as our new products continue to [indiscernible] Before wrapping up, I'd also like provide a brief update on our strategic portfolio optimization. We've made good progress on implementing the strategic portfolio assessment we completed in the September. As part of the process of divesting or shutting down product lines, and assets that are non strategic, we announced in December that we are evaluating strategic alternatives for our advanced lithium ion battery recycling technology.

This announcement follows the sale of our new NACLIF facility and our announcement that we are evaluating strategic alternatives for our lithium sulfur battery platform. As well as other portfolio optimization activities that are well underway. As we optimize our portfolio over the coming quarters, we we'll provide further updates, including at our upcoming Investor Day this May. In summary, I'm very pleased with the progress we made in our fiscal second quarter While some near term softness persists in our industrial related end markets, fiscal now turn the call over to our CFO, Cherry Luther.

Thank you, Jim.

In the second quarter, we drove continued sequential improvement in our financial results with strong revenue growth and gross margin expansion, driving strong profitability.

In addition, we strengthened the balance sheet by paying down $132,000,000 in debt. I will provide a summary of our results. Second quarter revenue was a record $1,430,000,000 an increase of approximately 6% sequentially From a segment perspective, networking revenue increased 7% sequentially and 56 driven by ongoing strong AI data center demand and the continued recovery in telecom. Laser segment revenue increased 8% sequentially The Materials segment revenue increased 3% sequentially and decreased 4% year over year. Year over year decrease was primarily due to weak automotive end market demand. Our second quarter non GAAP gross margin was 38 compared to the prior quarter and an increase of three sixty three basis points compared to the year ago quarter. The improvements in gross margin were driven by higher revenue volume, as well as cost reductions and improvements in Second quarter non GAAP operating expenses were $283,000,000 compared to $278,000,000 in the prior quarter, $239,000,000 in the year ago quarter. The sequential and year over year increases were primarily driven by increased R and D investments in our product portfolio. SG and A decreased sequentially as a result of our disciplined approach to managing our SG and A while ensuring that we invest in our product portfolio.

Our second quarter non GAAP operating margin was 18.5% compared to 16.1% in the prior quarter and 13.5% in the year ago quarter. Second quarter non GAAP tax rate was 17.4% compared to 20% in the prior quarter to the distribution of income earned across the jurisdictions as well as non recurring one time items. Second quarter non GAAP earnings per diluted share was $0.95 compared to $0.67 in the prior quarter and $0.27 in the year ago quarter. We paid down $132,000,000 in debt during the quarter using cash from operations.

I will turn now to our guidance for the third quarter of this We expect revenue to be between 1,390,000,000.00 and $1,480,000,000 We expect non GAAP gross margin to be between 3739%. We expect total operating expenses of between $285,000,000 and $3.00 $5,000,000 on a non GAAP basis. We expect the tax rate for the quarter to be between 1719% on a non GAAP basis.

We expect EPS of between $0.75 and $0.95 on a non GAAP basis. In summary, I am very pleased with our progress in the quarter. Will continue to focus on improving profitability through gross margin expansion as well as operational efficiency. It is important that we make investments for the long term growth of the company while driving operating leverage and efficiency. Cash and capital allocation will continue to be a key focus areas to further strengthen and deleverage our balance sheet. As a reminder, we will host an Investor and Analyst Day in New York on May 28 at the New York Stock Exchange. At that event, we will outline our overall strategy, including our end market growth product and technology roadmap and long term financial model. That concludes my formal comments. Operator, please open the call for Q and A. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Samik Chatterjee with JPMorgan. Please proceed.

Yes. Hi, and thanks for taking my questions.

Well, and congrats on the strong results here. I guess Jim, I wanted to get your thoughts firstly on the telecom market. You've been up sequentially in that end market now for two quarters, but I think last quarter also you were sounding a bit more cautious relative to your outlook for that market. So if you can share with sort of this second sequential quarter of growth, is your outlook for in terms of sustainability of that improvement, has that changed? What are you hearing from your customers on that front? Or are you still sort of cautious in terms of the pace of improvement here? And I have a quick follow-up after that. Thank you.

Yes. Thanks for the question, Samik. I think our view is we've moved from cautious to cautiously optimistic. We were really pleased with the results that we saw in telecom in our fiscal Q2 the 16% sequential growth and 11% year over year growth in fiscal Q2. As you noted, that was the second quarter of sequential growth. And we are expecting that telecom revenue to be up again sequentially in our fiscal able to [indiscernible] the bottom of the valley in terms of the telecom recovery and demand and we're on the upslope within that market. Maybe just a little bit more commentary on what drove the sequential growth that we saw in fiscal Q2 is one of the main drivers was growth in data center interconnect and we expect that growth to continue into the current quarter We also saw improvement in kind of traditional telecom transport market, which we view that sequential improvement as a really positive indicator for the overall underlying market health. And then we were really pleased with continued ramp of our new products as well. So our 100 gig, our 400 gig and 800 gig ZRZR plus coherent transceivers ramping nice [indiscernible] yes, quite pleased with the telecom results and looking forward to another sequential improvement in the current quarter.

Got it. Got it. And for my follow-up, the OCS first orders that you're highlighting, that's an exciting announcement. Just you can give us a bit more color in terms of how to think about the addressable opportunity here and I know you've said probably the revenues are in calendar '25, but just how to think about the pace of the ramp with the customer and how material it will be in Canada '25 and what the longer term Thanks, Amit. Yes, really happy to talk about this product line. I love the differentiated technology this product line. In fact, this was when I first joined the company I guess that's about eight months ago, this is one of the product lines that the team showed me early on. And when they explained to me the technology differentiation, it was I was quite impressed and we've since increased our and D investment in this area to expand and accelerate the roadmap on this technology. Really really pleased with the progress here. Maybe just to to explain what OCS does for the customer is rather than when they're transmitting data from one computing node to the other computing node, rather than having to go through an electrical switch, and switch the data from the optical domain into the electrical domain.

Domain domain through the transit from one computing node to the other. Computing node. And that has great latency and power efficiency advantages. So that's the advantage of OCS. And then for our platform in particular, [indiscernible] technology. It's based on digital liquid crystal technology that is much, much higher reliability than the other solutions that are out there that are essentially mechanical based and based on MEMS MEMS based solutions. And so we have very differentiated technology We're seeing really good customer engagement and momentum here. We're really pleased to get the first customer order in our fiscal Q2 On the revenue ramp, we remain our view remains that the revenue we should start to see first revenue in this current calendar year. We'll probably give better quantification of that as we move throughout the year. But I think given that we would start to see revenue this year, it would be more of a a contributor in calendar '26 and '27 and beyond. And in terms of the addressable market, we'll probably talk about that more at our Investor Day in May. We'll give a better quantification of the the revenue and market opportunity when we talk at our Investor Day in May.

But yes, really pleased with the progress on this product.

Got it.

Great.

Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions. Our next question comes from the line of Simon Leopold with Raymond James. Please proceed. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to discuss the topic of co package optics or CPO, given that the noise level on this definitely increased, recently. How does Coherent envision this technology affecting its business in both the intermediate term as well as the long term? Thanks.

Yes. Thanks, Simon, and thanks for asking the question. And maybe to answer the question, what I'll do is I'll break it into two parts.

Is, let me first just talk about our view of the market evolution, how we expect the market to evolve over the coming years. And co packaged optics place within that market evolution. And then I'll come back to the other part of your question, which is what is Coherent's opportunity within that landscape? But if I start with the first part just on the market evolution, So first of all, we believe that the TAM for optical networking and the data center that we're going to see robust growth over the coming years and over the long term. And that's really driven by two things. Number one is just the raw bandwidth increase that's required to support the computing capacity expansion that the market is expecting. So if you look at the data center expansion plans, that drives tremendous growth in the number of computing nodes across the data center and that drives tremendous number of or amount of growth in the connections between those computing nodes and the bandwidth that's required between those computing nodes. And so that alone, we think drives a really good robust growth in data center over the long term. But the second the second effect that we think that we're expecting and this is kind of where CPO plays into, is we're expecting there to be a greater proportion of those inter [indiscernible] from what are today electrical connections towards optical connections moving forward.

And so think about it as the proportion of electrical versus optical, the [indiscernible] over the coming years. And the reason for that is if you look at the bandwidth that's required to support the connections between these these computing nodes and those computing nodes could be GPUs, CPUs or XPUs, some sort of accelerators, the bandwidth is ramping up significantly. And optical connections can provide a much higher level of bandwidth than technologies. There'll be other enabling technologies that help enable the TAM expansion or the replacement of electrical connections with optical connections. In And we see this CPO primarily, we believe the biggest sort of area of application for it over the long term is in scale up. So within the rack or within the box, connections between the computing nodes is where we believe we'll see the most prevalence over the long term. And so the net is we believe CPO is a net accelerator of the overall TAM for optical networking and the data center. But again, driven by both the combination of the total raw bandwidth that's needed as well as this conversion from electrical. To optical. And then back to this kind of second part of your question, what does that mean for Coherent?

We believe we're very well positioned to continue to drive growth and pluggable transceivers, which is which is the dominant form factor today, but also to participate and drive growth in the newer potential form factors over the coming years. So First of all, in pluggable transceivers, we've got a great roadmap of pluggable transceivers. This year, we're ramping beginning the ramp of 1.6 T. We've got 3.2T pluggable transceivers in development and products beyond that on our roadmap as well. And we believe pluggable trans severs will continue to grow, especially in the scale out domain over the coming years. And so we believe we're well positioned to grow not just because the TAM is expanding, but because we believe we're well positioned for share gain as well. And then in other form factors like CPO or there's other types of form factors that will be introduced as well, It's important to remember that coherent is not just a supplier of transceivers, but we invest and innovate in all of the key ingredient technologies that go into those transceivers in terms of the optical ingredients. So things like indium phosphide platform, the EML in CW lasers that are built off our indium phosphide platform, silicon photonics, which we've had in production for years, and have been developing for over a decade.

And a number of other key enabling tech technologies that are not just relevant to pluggable transceivers, but would go into would be key enabling technologies for things like CPO and other form factors. So we believe we're we're very well positioned to continue to grow in this what we see as a rapidly expanding TAM. And we'll at our Investor Day in May, we'll provide sort of more thoughts on how the market evolves and we'll quantify that and give a better idea of of coherence opportunity, but we feel well positioned for the long term growth. [indiscernible] That's great. I appreciate the thorough response. And just a very brief follow-up please, is just wondering if there's any customer concentration or vertical concentration you could quantify in the quarter whether it's the amount from any 10% customers or sort of the AI consumption, whether direct or indirect to web scale, Anything you could help us with in terms of that quantification, I'd appreciate.

Yes. We have a broad range of customers both hyperscaler customers as well as enterprise customers. The hyperscaler customers represent the the vast majority of the datacom revenue, but we have multiple hyperscale scale customers and are well distributed across those key hyper scalers.

So yes, I would call our revenue in datacom as well diversified. And then the other point that I would make is on 800 gig transceivers, which I mentioned in the prepared remarks, is one of the really positive things that we've seen over the past year is the number of customers that are ramping 800 gig continues to expand And so I mentioned this on our last quarter quarter's earnings update and we saw expansion in the number customers again over the past quarter. We view this as very positive as our overall 800 gig revenue is very highly diversified. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Vivek Arya Bank of America. Please proceed. Hi, this is Michael Monney on for Vivek Arya. Thanks for taking our questions.

To start, To start, just wanted to get your thoughts on how the market landscape is evolving [indiscernible] You stated that obviously a breadth of needs is required across these customers.

As you get closer to the 1.6 ramp, do you have a better sense of which platform might be seen relatively more pull from these customers and how does that inform your buy versus make decision framework around internal production?

Yes. Thanks, Michael. So first of all, maybe I'll start with kind of our strategy and philosophy around around the ingredient technologies is I think it's it's well recognized by our customers that when it comes to the ingredients that go into optical networking technology, that coherent certainly has the broadest and deepest portfolio of ingredient technologies. So we don't just assemble the transceiver, we bring to our customers a very broad and deep and expansive roadmap in terms of all the underlying key technologies. So whether that's a VCSEL laser an EML laser, a CW laser, EMLs and CWs of course based on indium phosphide platform, which I mentioned in the prepared remarks, silicon photonics, which we've had in production for a number of years. We're able to bring a wide array of tech technology. And that's one of the key competitive advantages that our customers really appreciate because when they work with us and when they partner with us, in a strategic multi generational fashion, know they're working with a company that brings a very [indiscernible] our approach is to invest in all those key technologies. And what we do is we work with our customers to field the particular technology that best best fits their application and their needs.

And so what we do is we pick out of our portfolio what we think is the most optimal technology. And so that's our approach. And that's the same approach we've taken on 800 gig and you mentioned you asked about 1.6. We've taken the same approach on 1.6 as well. And And then in terms of the Mink versus buy, I think was the last part of your question. Again, our philosophy on make versus buy is, we want to make where it provides a genuine competitive advantage to our customers. And where it doesn't provide a genuine advantage, then we should be buying that or sourcing that from the ecosystem. So where we invest our R and D or invest our CapEx dollars, that's where we believe we're either generating a significant technological advantage for our advantage. So that's where we focus and concentrate our resources Otherwise, we leverage the ecosystem. And sometimes we mix and match as well in the case of for instance, EML lasers, we both source those internally, but we use external partners as well and we have a number of of really good external partners for EML lasers. So we'll sometimes use a mixture for supply chain resilience as well.

So that's kind of our overall philosophy and strategy around that.

Great. Thank you. And just for my follow-up what are the puts and takes for gross margins this year? There's nice upside this past quarter. So what initiatives worked well to deliver that?

And I guess as we look throughout the rest of this year, what are some of the low hanging fruit that you'd be able to tackle whether it's improving product costs on the transceiver side, that the non core assets that could help us move upwards from here. Thank you.

Thank you, Michael. So when you look at the results that we achieved for Q2, the 150 basis point sequential improvement and 60 basis points year over year, very pleased with the results there. The elements that drove that certainly volume was a contributor, but we saw improvement as well on the cost side. In particular, in Datacom, we continue to see improvement yield improvements. We saw lower cost as well as improvements in the manufacturing process that all generated improvements in gross margin. And if you recall back when we several quarters ago when we put out our long term gross margin target for greater than 40%, we talked about our gross margin expansion strategy and the elements that comprise that Product cost or cost reductions rather are part of that, but also pricing optimization. And so those areas continue to be areas of focus for us as we drive toward the long term model of greater than 40%. And so pleased to see the results in in Q2 and we'll continue to focus on that going forward. You asked about the remainder of the year and I guess I would really direct you to look forward to our Investor Day in May and we'll give you more color on the various elements of our gross margin expansion strategy.

And look forward to sharing that with you at that time.

Question comes from the line of George Notter with Jefferies. Please proceed. Hi, guys. Thanks very much. I wanted to ask about tariffs. Obviously, there's been a lot of news on that front in the last few days and weeks, but you guys obviously have a Chinese manufacturing footprint in some areas of the business. And it does seem like that 10% tariff isn't as bad as imagined previously, but could you talk about what the effect of those tariffs would look like on Coherent? And then then what sorts of things could you do to mitigate those effects on the business? And then I guess the other part of this question is, is it possible that some of the strength you're seeing is a pull forward of demand, customers trying to get ahead of the tariffs? But those are the questions. Thanks a lot for your help.

Yes. Thanks, George. So on the first part of your question, obviously, dynamics situation around tariffs right now and we continue to analyze it and make sure we're adapting as necessary. But if we look at the current quarter of fiscal IQ3, we don't expect a significant impact to the current quarter results. And the guidance that Sherry provided in her expect from tariffs. And in the second part of your question around mitigation, I think one of the things that the company has done really well over the past years is building a very resilient supply chain. And there's been a very good strategic focus on this over the past years by the team. And they've done a really great job of that. And I think that's built a lot of resilience into our supply chain and a lot of flexibility and adaptability. By the way, I think our customers definitely recognize that as well Supply chain resiliency is becoming increasingly important to our customers and they recognize that we have a very resilient supply chain. And I think within the optical networking industry, I would say it's it's world class supply chain resiliency. Now I'd flag a couple specific areas in particular that we have really great resiliency in our supply chain.

One is geographic diversity in our flexibility in terms of being able to shift the location of production to different geographies, to depending on the needs of our customer. And then the second thing is which our customers appreciate is vertical integration. Where we've strategically chosen to invest in key technologies, which are very capacity perspective. And so that vertical integration of key enabling technologies is another source of strength in terms of our supply chain resiliency and another area that our customers really value in our overall resiliency. So we're we're focused on continuing to build the supply chain resiliency, but I would say we have a tremendous amount of flexibility and adaptability already built into our supply chain strategy. Then on the last part of your question, which was did we see any sort of pull forward of demand We didn't see any indications of that. We in our fiscal Q2 I would say the data center demand materialized very much as we had expected at the beginning of the quarter. And so we didn't see any signs of any pull forward in demand. Thanks, George.

The next question comes from the line of Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed.

Great. Thanks. And congrats on the quarter.

Maybe first question, you did see improvement in lasers this quarter, but had noted kind of staying kind of more cautious about that market. Just wanted to get a sense of if you could give kind of how you're viewing that maybe on telco where you say you're going from cautious to cautiously optimistic, just how you're viewing kind of the prospects throughout the year for that business then I have a follow-up.

Yes, Amit, first of all, thanks for the question. On lasers, maybe I'll address it in the context of the market. So lasers business is primarily industrial related is significant industrial exposure as well. And for the industrial and industrial related markets, if we look at the submarkets, it's from our perspective, it's just really a mixed bag in terms of the submarkets where we see some of the sub segments as as seen some improvement and then others as really not seen much improvement. So overall, we continue to take in the near term a cautious outlook on the overall industrial related markets. We do believe that over the long term, this is a key growth area the company. But in the short term, we're taking a more cautious view. Now that said, I will point out a couple particular sub segments that we are seeing good growth signs from. The first of which is the display capital equipment and that's where our excimer lasers are used for OLED screen manufacturing. And what's happening there in the end market is OLED screens are traditionally been used on smaller device screens. Screens like mobile phones are now being used on larger device screens like lap laptops and PCs.

And so that represents a dramatic expansion in the total surface area of OLED screens [indiscernible] on both a sequential and year over year basis. And then the second area that I would flag for some improvement that we're seeing is in semi cap equipment. We're seeing stronger orders from some of our semi cap equipment customers and those stronger orders are coming on their anticipated proved demand over the coming quarters. And so that's a positive sign as well. But But overall, I would say in the near term, we're taking more of a cautious outlook.

Got it. And maybe same on materials. I believe you guys mentioned automotive as kind of an ongoing headwind, but just as you look at some of the prospects for that business for the remainder of the year? [indiscernible] Yes. Thanks, Meta. On materials, very similar comments to lasers. A lot of the materials business is related to those same industrial end markets. So instance, materials get used in semi cap equipment as well. So very similar outlook on kind of just cautious demand outlook around materials going into the industrial related segments as well. And in particular, a particular area of weakness for us in materials has been around the automotive sector. And so again, here with materials taking a more cautious out next question comes from line of Pappasilla with Citi.

Thank you for taking my question and congrats for the strong result. I guess my first question is maybe more for Jim. I guess Coherent previously announced kind of seeing strong improvement on 200 gig per lane. So just wanted to have kind of additional update on where you are in the process and is the expectation that 200 gig per lane VCSEL could be available at some point? For 1.6 cycle or is it more of a 3.2 T story?

Yes. Thanks, Papa. So we continue to progress well on on our engineering efforts around not just 200 gig pixels, 200 gig differential EMLs and also we're building a robust roadmap of CW laser based on our indium phosphide platform as well. So again, we invest across a range of technologies and then the approach that we take as we deploy the laser technology or any other particular technology that we think is best suited for that application, whether that's a 1.60T transceiver, or 3.2T or we have products on the roadmap beyond that. As well. So, I probably won't go into the details right now of of what specific technology that we're selecting for any particular transceiver product just for competitive reasons. But But our strategy and our approach is to build a very robust roadmap of ingredient technologies and to pick the one that's most optimal for a particular customer application.

Got it. Thank you. That's very helpful. And maybe my follow-up is around the datacom kind of margin, I believe previously you mentioned it being mostly in line with company level margins. But as you continue to improve yield and benefit from increased Operator, did we lose Papa's line?

Yes. Papa's line has dropped.

Maybe I'll try to answer. I think I got the gist of his question. So I'll try to answer it. I think it was around data data and datacom margins. And let me step back at a broader company level and I'll come back to Data Com margins. So So when I first joined the company on the first earnings call, made it clear from my perspective that company needed to improve its gross margins, right? And so we've been very focused on that over the past months and quarters. And on gross margin, we're approaching it from two optimization and the other is product cost. And on product cost, I think that there's opportunity to improve product cost across the company not just in datacom, but also in telecom and all of our industrial products whether it's materials or lasers. I think we have a lot of work to do to drive improvements on product costs. And one of I think Papa was asking about yields. I thought I heard him say yield at the end, but one of the key areas that we're driving improvements for instance in Datacom margins is by improving yields. And I mentioned this on the prior earnings call a quarter ago.

And so that's one of the key product cost areas that we're focused on. There's others as well.

But definitely, gross margin is a key focus area of the company. We have a lot of energy devoted to that effort right now, and I'm quite pleased with the progress [indiscernible] do and we have a lot more work ahead of us, but we're very focused on gross margin improvement goal. And the next question comes from the line of Karl Ackerman with BNP Paribas.

Yes, thank you. I have two questions, if I may. To start, Jim, is your AI transceiver opportunity this year gated by your current indium phosphide wafer capacity?

I ask because some investors are contemplating how important laser wafer capacity is when you and peers discuss your transceiver roadmap with hyperscalers. And then I have a follow-up, please. Yes. Thanks, Karl.

So what I would first say on supply chain and capacity, is look, I want to take the opportunity to thank supply chain and manufacturing team for doing an outstanding job of increasing capacity and supporting our customers. If you look at our data center datacom revenue, it grew 79% year over year in the most recent fiscal quarter. I think the team has done a great job of supporting our customers. And we've been both ramping internal capacity but also in the ingredient technologies. I mentioned you asked about indium phosphide. One of the things I mentioned in the prepared remarks is if you look at our fiscal Q2, on a year over year basis, we tripled our indium phosphide capacity. And it's our intention to continue growing indium plans to help us with the expansion of indium phosphide capacity at our Sherman Tech Texas plant. So indium phosphide platform, which we've had house for over twenty years, we view as a key technology. And we expect to continue to ramp volume of indium phosphide technology for EML lasers, CW lasers, etcetera. Now we do also use a multi source strategy for good external partners as well, but But we certainly are focused on continuing to ramp capacity given the demand signals that we're seeing from our customers over the long term.

Very clear. Thank you. And then if I may, just on OpEx. How should we think about OpEx in margins throughout 2025?

Guess do you anticipate growing OpEx in line with sales growth before and in restructuring? Some of the initiatives that you've already previously laid out, but are still at the forefront. Thank you.

Yes. Thank you, Karl. So from an OpEx perspective, when you look at Q2 in terms of our OpEx results there, you saw that we increased our R and D sequentially. And that's really as a result of our philosophy that we want to make sure that we are investing our R and D dollars for the long term growth of the company and really those projects that have highest ROI. So from an R and D perspective, that's what drove the sequential increase in Q2. And when you look at the midpoint of our guide for total for Q3, that's also a key driver of the increase going into Q3. From an SG and A perspective, in Q2, you saw that we actually reduced our SG and A spend, in particular, the G and A part of that. And that again is part of our philosophy that we want to drive greater leverage and efficiency in the business. And so the increases in Op going into Q3 are really driven by R and D spend. Now on a quarterly basis, you can always see fluctuations whether in terms of the timing of the benefits that we're able to achieve on on the SG and A leverage front or the timing of spend of R and D programs.

But that's our philosophy terms of investing and with respect to OpEx. When you look to the rest of the year and that really is an invitation for you to listen to our Investor Day in May as we give more perspective on our long term model and how we're thinking about that. But that will give you that's just a perspective on Q3 and how to think about that.

Very clear. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Thomas O'Malley with Barclays. Please proceed.

Hey, guys. I have a short term one and then a long term one.

Just briefly for the March, do you think you could walk through obviously revenue is flat and it sounds like communication continues to be cautiously a bit better than you had originally expected it. But any color on just the broader segments, what gets you to that flat items into March is the first question.

Yes. Thanks, Thomas. It's pretty straightforward. We expect datacom and telecom to be up sequentially. And we expect the rest of our industrial related businesses to be down sequentially. And that net to the midpoint to be flat.

Got you. Super helpful. And then I just wanted to talk strategically longer term As you look at the dynamic for the transceiver market, particularly in the datacom, Are you starting to see a change in behavior from some of the hyperscalers as it relates to the domestication domestic customer? Don't even know how to say the word, but the move to domestic producers of transceivers [indiscernible] are you seeing changes in ordering behavior at this point? Or is that all headline news and no real changes yet? I'd just love to get a feel for if you're already starting to see a move to move supply chains onshore? Thank you.

Yes. Thanks, Thomas. What I would say is that I definitely to gain share over the coming quarters and years and we're certainly focused on that. And when we talk with customers, almost always discussion revolves around two things. Number one, it always starts with the roadmap of tech technology and not just our transceiver roadmap, but the underlying ingredient technologies. And I think our customers recognize the the breadth and the depth of the technology that we can bring to them. And I think that's a big [indiscernible] second part of the discussion, which always is part of the customer discussion as well is around supply chain resilience. And the fact that we have great resiliency in both geographic diversity in the flexibility and adaptability that, that provides us. As well as the vertical integration. And they see that as that supply chain resiliency as a tremendous advantage. And so that's another benefit beyond just our raw technology roadmap. And so I would say that both of those are very much appreciated by our certainly by our big strategic customers. The next question comes from the line of Christopher Rolland with Susquehanna International Group.

Hey, thanks for the question. The This one is for Jim. And Jim, you're a bigger picture thinker, so this is a bigger picture question, I think. It's really around networking intensity and also timing of either the peak in 800 gs or the beginning of 1.6. And there's kind of two parts. The first part is DeepSeq, Obviously, all the connectivity guys were down big. That Monday. Do you think that impacts connectivity at all, the outlook for it? And then perhaps there are push outs of key AI products do you see that affecting either 800 or 1.6 for you guys this year?

Yes. Thanks, Chris. So on the first part of the question around DeepSeq and the outlook, I'm afraid First of all, I'll say that we've seen no significant changes in our customers outlook both in terms of the orders that they're placing or the long term forecast that they have been providing to us. We've seen no significant change there. And I would say in terms of longer term, I think we share the view that many others do in the industry, which is that to the extent that any technology, whether it's DeepSeq or any other technology, makes AI more pervasive that propagates AI in a wider way makes it easier to adopt or cheaper to adopt. We view that as as underlying as providing underlying growth for the market over the long term. So we view that as a long term positive significant change in customer forecast or ordering patterns. And because of that, I also don't see any impact that it has on eight gig peak or 1.6 gig ramp. I don't believe it will have any effect on that. And just more specifically on that part, we believe 800 gig will continue to grow over the coming quarters.

Even as 1.60s is introduced because if you look at the customers, actually the customers, it really depends the customer on what specific data rate they're currently on. We saw the number of customers that are primarily on 400 gig and still have yet to transition to 800 gig in We have customers that are just at the beginning of their eight gig RAM. So I think it's 800 gig continues to grow while we start to ramp 1.6. Excellent. Thank you, Jim. And then secondly, there are a bunch of Chinese guys with really big capacity ramps coming I'm just wondering if you're seeing anything in terms of transceiver pricing, pressure your own gross margins in this area and how much more cost cutting there is to do? On the gross margin side on or efficiencies Transceiver as well?

Yes. Thanks, Chris. I would call the transceiver pricing that we've seen as pretty stable. I don't and as predicted as we would expect, I don't think there's been any unusual pricing changes that we've seen. Then on the second part of the question around gross margin efficiency, I and I kind of addressed that a little bit earlier in in the questions around, at a company level, I think we have a lot more work to do on driving product cost efficiency in our gross margin line. So a lot more work ahead of us and that includes for transceivers as well. I think there's improvement that are still in front of us in terms of improving product cost structures, yield being one of them, but I think inputs costs are an opportunity for us as well. So a lot more work to do. Good progress and I appreciate the progress from the team in fiscal Q2, but both Sherry and I are not yet satisfied with the gross margin and we can Great to hear. Thanks, Jim.

Next question comes from the line of Jack Eagan with Charter Equity Research. Please proceed.

Great. Thanks for taking the question. I was hoping you could talk about the yield in improvements in Datacom a bit. So I was wondering where exactly it came from, like whether it was materials or on the manufacturing or back end And then are they coming from kind of the typical development process where you can just continually squeeze out improvements or have these been more like discrete one time improvements?

I would say it's a range of things. There's a number of different places that we're focused on yields. I would say some of them are one time improvements, some of them are things that we believe are ongoing improvements that we're sort of at the start of ongoing improvements. I think it's a range of things. We're certainly looking at at the entire expanse of any yield improvements we can drive. But also, as I mentioned, just a minute or two ago, we're definitely looking at input costs and overhead costs anywhere where we can drive cost efficiency, we're focused on that. So I think it's a range of activities.

Yes. I would just add that, just a reminder that in from Q1 going into Q1, we saw improvements in yield as well. And we continue to see that in Q2. So as Jim mentioned, it's in different areas, different products, different parts of the process. But we're focused on all those areas and we're really pleased to see continued yield improvements in Q2 in the datacom business.

Great.

And so for my follow-up then, you've given a lot of color on your strategy from the product portfolio and efficiency standpoints. And I know you'll probably share more on this during the Investor Day, but have you made or are you looking to make any major changes when it comes to kind of the sales and marketing or the distribution side? I mean, because Coherent has the The very broad footprint with vertical integration as you mentioned. So I was just curious if there were any synergies there.

Yes. Thank you. So that is another area that we've been driving improvement in what I would say is kind of similar to the activities we were driving in R and D, is we're trying to make sure that first of all that the resources around sales and marketing are applied in the area of greatest opportunity. And so we have made changes where we've reduced resources and sales resources in some areas and we've increased resources in other areas. And so we are shifting resources to where we believe is the greatest long term growth opportunity and margin growth opportunity for the company. So yes, we are there's a number of changes we've already driven and that's some place where we'll continue to drive improved Great. Thanks, Jim. Thank you.

Thank you. We have reached the end of our time for Q and A. I'd now like to turn the floor back to to CEO, Jim Anderson for closing comments.

Yes. Thank you, operator, and thanks everybody for joining us on the call today. So as we wrap up here, I first of all want to thank all of Coherent teammates for the great hard work and the dedication and the really good solid execution in our fiscal Q2. And thanks for everybody on the call today. Thanks for your support. And looking forward to continuing to update you on our progress. Operator, that concludes our call.

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