FTAI Aviation Ltd. Price & Performance (FTAI)

Joining me here today are Joe Adams, our Chief Executive Officer Angela Nam, our Chief Financial Officer and David Marino, our Chief Operating Officer. We have posted an investor presentation in our press release on our website, which wink Also, please note that this call is open to the public in listen only mode. It is being webcast. In addition, we will be discussing some non GAAP financial measures during the call today, including EBITDA. The reconciliation of those measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure can be found in the earnings supplement. Before I turn the call over to Joe, I would like to point out that certain statements made today will be forward looking statements, including regarding future earnings. These statements by their nature are uncertain and may differ materially from actual results. We encourage you to review the disclosures in our press release and investor presentation regarding non GAAP financial measures and forward looking statements and to review the Risk Factors contained in our quarterly report filed with the SEC. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Joe. Thank you, Alan. I'm pleased today to announce our thirty ninth dividend as a public company and our fifty fourth consecutive dividend since inception.

The dividend of $0.3 per share will be paid on March 24 based on a shareholder record date of March 14. I'd also like to start today by talking about the investor presentation post to our website. While I'm not going to go slide by slide, we wanted to speak to our market opportunity, the value proposition scalability and durability of our aerospace products business. Starting with the market opportunity, if you look at the total number of operators the majority of our target customers are small and medium sized airlines. Which have narrow body fleets powered by CFM56 and V-twenty engines, our focus engines. They represent approximately 600 operators worldwide and 80% of the number of all these engines flown. Which creates a large and fragmented addressable market of $22,000,000,000 of annual maintenance spend where Feetai focuses and can provide significant value to the customer. Offer these customers a lower fixed price with minimal downtime product.

Compared to what our competitors do. This is made possible through our unique maintenance capabilities and expertise and a large owned engine fleet. Central to our maintenance approach is green time optimization, which is how we rebuild modules and engines that require repair. Unlike traditional MROs, Feetide leverages in house engineering and maintenance capabilities to extract every available cycle from each module. Our scale enables us to optimize module You can see a typical example what we detailed on Slide 13 in the presentation. But let me take a moment now to explain the process in a little more detail. The CFM56 engine, it consists of three modules. The fan, the core and the low pressure turbine or otherwise called the LPT. Engine maintenance is needed when one of these modules hits their life limit. When this occurs, usually the other two modules still have remaining life. And the key to our green time optimization strategy is to acquire and dismantle unserviceable engines, refurbished viable modules and sell them individual individually or reassemble them into right size engines for customers. And a right sized engine is one where the various modules, three modules all have a similar remaining useful life.

Performing module maintenance at scale in addition to owning the engine throughout the repair cycle, creates significant cost savings opportunities. This allows us to offer significant benefits to customers compared to a traditional shop visit while also generating higher margins than typical MROs. We see a bright future ahead our unique role in the aftermarket supported by significant investments we made in 2024 as well as the announcements we made yesterday Regarding the new facility, maintenance facility in Rome, and our strategic capital initiative, which we call SCI, to accelerate our market share and help sustainably support airlines in their long term maintenance needs. Our new joint venture agreement with IAG Engine Center Europe which will be rebranded as Quick Turn Europe, complements our existing facilities in Montreal and Miami and will help address the strong demand for EFTIES MRE or maintenance repair and exchange services from our global customer base in a critical geographic location. Secondly, we were excited to announce yesterday that the SCI has received $2,500,000,000 commitment for asset level debt financing from Atlas, which is a majority owned subsidiary of Apollo and Deutsche Bank. The SCI team is currently in the late stages of closing a second round of equity financing We believe the market opportunity to deploy capital raised in these SPVs in this way is in the region of more than $4,000,000,000 annually.

Turning now to adjusted free cash flow. In 2024, we generated approximately $670,000,000 from business operations, which included $140,000,000 related to the sale of both of our offshore vessels. At the same time, we invested a approximately $1,300,000,000 in major growth initiatives which range from the purchase of the Montreal maintenance facility, the termination of the management agreement with Fortress, and investments in aviation assets, in particular engines and parts to support our growth strategy in 2025 and beyond. [indiscernible] Adjusted free cash flow of approximately $650,000,000 in 2025 which is broken out in more detail on Slide 24. We will continue to make strategic reinvestments in the business However, the launch of our strategic capital initiative will reduce our capital asset acquisition needs in 2025 and beyond. So while we will continue to prioritize growth opportunities, we will also consider capital redistribution to shareholders. Finally, as we look at our current pipeline, we now expect our annual aviation EBITDA to rise from our previously projected $1,250,000,000 to be approximately now $1,400,000,000 in 2026. With that, I'll hand it over to Angela to talk through the numbers in more detail. Thanks, Joe. The key metric for us is adjusted EBITDA.

We ended the year strongly with adjusted EBITDA of $252,000,000 in Q4 twenty twenty four, which is up 9% compared to $232,000,000 in Q3 twenty twenty four and up 55% compared to 162,300,000.0 in Q4 of twenty twenty three. During the fourth quarter, the $252,000,000 EBITDA number was comprised of $133,900,000 from our leasing segment dollars 117,300,000.0 from our Aerospace Products segment, and 800,000.0 from corporate and other, which included 18,700,000.0 related to the gain on sale of both of our offshore vessels. Now let's look at all of 2024 versus all of 2023. Adjusted EBITDA was $82,100,000.0 in 2024, which is up 44% versus $597,300,000 in 2023. Turning now to leasing. Aviation leasing continued to deliver strong results posting approximately $134,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA. The pure leasing component of the $134,000,000 came in at 128,000,000 for Q4 versus 99,000,000 in Q4 twenty twenty three. Included in the $128,000,000 was a $11,000,000 settlement related to Russian assets written off in 2022.

Additionally, we ended the year with a $40,400,000 book value of assets sold or 12% margin for a gain of 5,700,000.0 Overall, we generated $500,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA for 2024 and Aviation Leasing, in alignment with our original estimates for the year. Looking ahead, we remain comfortable assuming leasing adjusted EBITDA to remain at $500,000,000 in 2025 as we pivot our focus towards an asset light business model, [indiscernible] Aerospace Products had yet another excellent quarter with $117,300,000 of adjusted EBITDA at an overall EBITDA margin of 34%. Which is up 15% compared to 101,800,000.0 in Q3 of this year and up 115% compared to 54,600,000.0 in Q4 twenty twenty three. We continue to see tremendous growth in our adoption and the usage of our aerospace products and remain focused on ramping up production in both of our facilities in Montreal, Miami as well as commencing operations In 2025, we expect to generate $600,000,000 to $650,000,000 of EBITDA up from $381,000,000 in 2024. And $160,000,000 generated in 2023. With that, let me turn the call back over to Alan.

Thank you, Angela. Towanda, you may now open the call to Q and A. Thank you.

Our first question comes from the line of Christine Louwag with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Hey, good morning everyone.

Good morning.

Joe, by the way, this investor presentation that you put out is very interesting. And it clearly lays out the value proposition that the FTI business model [indiscernible] But just taking a step back, when you look at the competitive landscape, one of the key investor questions had been like, why isn't anybody else doing this? But I thought you had a pretty good layout of where others are like third party MRO, internal airlines, other aircraft leasing companies, but why is it that nobody else has this vertically integrated model Because it really seems like you found a sweet spot. So why aren't others doing it? What's their hurdle And what do you think your true competitive modes are?

Sure. Is a lot of different moats we've maybe put in place over the years, it's taken us seven, eight years to get to this point. So it's not a simple process. It was a sequential number of steps that we took. But basically, to compete to do what we do is similar to what United, American and Delta do, which is you have to own a large fleet of the same type of engine. And then have your own maintenance capability and facilities. So there's nothing to stop other people from doing that. But what we did is we sort of copied the majors and then offered that to the 600 operators around the world that don't have a maintenance facility. So it's effectively it's an outsourcing function for a single engine type. So when you look around the world like, well, who could do that? Clearly, people that own maintenance facilities could do that. But oftentimes, they have multiple engines and they don't own the engine. They're servicing other people's engines. So they'd have to reorganize their business, set up an asset management team, pick an engine, find a facility that doesn't have third party work that they'd have to displace and then try to assemble all the other parts.

The other other impediment, if you go back where we started is we invested in PMAs six, seven years ago. And that will be the only PMA product for this engine. So we have an exclusive on that. And many of the companies that I just mentioned that own maintenance facilities have very strong ties with OEMs. Which will commercially likely prohibit them from using PMA to any significant degree. So that advantage is something that nobody can copy. The other advantage is that we built up people could, but it takes a lot of time and a focus and we when we did it, the outcome wasn't all that clear. I mean, it seems today clear, but we went down that path and decided not to diversify and to own our own maintenance facilities, Nobody else is doing it. So we were like looking at us like, what are you doing? So don't know, that's we think about it all the time. We're always paranoid. And we keep putting up other barriers. And I actually think that SCI is yet another barrier because now we've added institutional quality asset management to the mix. Which that's a hard that's a big hurdle for people to you can't just go raise the first fund easily.

I know because we've done it a couple of times. It takes a lot of work and so if you put that on top of it, it's we're going to try to add something every year to make it harder. [indiscernible] It's really helpful, Joe. And maybe a segue to SDI.

Mean, your recent announcement, you're putting in $550,000,000 in the form of 46 on lease aircraft. And you've got the $2,500,000,000 in capital from Apollo to Deutsche Bank and Deutsche Bank you're not at $3,000,000,000 and you're now calling for $4,000,000,000 I mean, what's driving the increase of the previous $3,000,000,000 What's the appetite for further capital into your SDI? And lastly, what would you define as success for this investment.

Sure. So just on terms of the size we originally indicated we're targeting $3,000,000,000 and we found that the terms of the debt that we were able to obtain allowed for higher leverage effectively close over seven or 70%. So that that gives us more capital to invest. And at the same time, we're seeing a very strong deal flow. It's now still February and we have over $1,000,000,000 committed in investments already SCI. So and there's It's a huge market opportunity. If you look at just the leasing market itself, lessors own if you think there's 14,000 CFM 737NGs and A320COs about half of those are owned by lessors, so 7,000 and roughly 20% of those trade in a given year. There's been a little bit less because people held on longer due to the the pandemic and the strong market environment. But we see that ramping up as new deliveries start to pick up and lessors need to manage their average age of their fleet. So they have to sell older assets and buy newer assets. So we think that just the lessor market alone is north of $20,000,000,000 a year of investable assets. And then on top of that, you have airlines doing sale leasebacks and we've seen a number of airlines opting for sale leasebacks because they have a lot of shop visits on engines And that is a perfect fit for us because we love shop visits.

We're [indiscernible] one of one in that category. There's no one else that I've ever met that likes a shop visit. So we are very competitive on sale leasebacks when airlines are looking to phase out ultimately phase out the fleet, but also avoid engine shop as it we've got a number of deals lined up in that area. So we really think that isn't sort of a dominant lessor in the in this asset class, which happens to be the largest by count in the world and we are our goal is to become that. Now what the investor wants ultimately is returns. And because we can manage engine exchanges more efficiently, we actually believe we can deliver a higher return and a lower risk [indiscernible] think about the investment business, that's the quadrant you're always trying to get to. And we have a product that no one else can offer that we believe generates higher returns and and has lower risk for the investors. So there's really nothing not to like about it.

Great. Thank you, Joe. I'll leave it at that and these are really helpful. Thanks. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies. Your line is open. Good morning and thank you team. Congrats on the great quarter. Joe, maybe two questions for you both on margins. First, if we could start off with your margins at 35%, if you could go through that a bit, because I think there's some misunderstanding on how you generate those margins and how sustainable they are? And then secondly, it seems like you've upped the bar once again with Slide 14 and you're talking about 35% to 50% margin potential EBITDA margins versus the 40% you've talked about previously. Can you walk us through the profit drivers over the course of $25,000,000 and beyond, whether it's PMA adding $250,000,000 Green Time Optimism [indiscernible] if you could just touch on those two things.

Yes, sure.

So So when we think about the margins, we break it down into really four different categories. In and many of which are additive to one another. But you start with repair, When a typical MRO gets paid to fix something for someone and generally they're earning 15% margin for repair work. It's like a mechanic. You pay the labor and you you pay the parts. That's sort of the easy part. Second is green time optimization, which we've given an example in the slide deck and David will walk through that in more detail. But that's something unique to us that no one else does. And as I mentioned, it's really it's been practiced by major airlines, but if you have to own your fleet, and have a maintenance facility and we combine that to so that we don't waste any available cycles hours and cycles The third is a part strategy, which is use serviceable material buying used LLPs and ultimately PMA, which is the the top of the mountain. And we have all of those going. We've been working on part strategy for many years and we have a whole team of people and that's all they do because a big part of any shop is just part.

So and ultimately, we're moving more into piece part repair which will be further upside on margins as we do more and more of our own repairs. And then lastly, in many cases, we provide adjust in time product for the airline and we help them avoid inducting that engine into a shop. We can do field service work. So we have a white glove just in time product. So when you break the margin down that way, none of those components seem out of line. We're the only party that combines all those activities though. And then when you think about the sustainability, we believe that this is sustainable in any market environment. The repair and the White Glove service are value adds no matter what the economic climate is. And then numbers two and three green time optimization in parts, we believe will grow. In the optimization model, we have a little chart in there. The more engines and the more modules you own, the better you get at optimization. It's just mathematical. So we believe there's further upside in the optimization You also mentioned the efficiency of your facility that we believe we can by standardizing the approach to engines, having mechanics only working on one engine, running it like a factory.

We've been able to demonstrate productivity improvements so we can drive that to higher margins. And then lastly is TMA, which is not really in the numbers. But we believe that adds five to 10 percentage points to the margin when the full complement of PMA is available. It'll be somewhat a function of product mix, but we think five to 10 percentage points of upside is a reasonable number. David will walk you through the green time optimization. Happy to walk everyone through Page 13 of the presentation. So this example is meant to bring to life FTI's secret sauce, which Greentime Optimization. So our business is built to monetize every cycle in the engine through maintenance. So generally, the starting point is a group of unserviceable engines. So on the left, you'll see three engines that have become unserviceable In this scenario, the engines aren't unserviceable because one of its modules has run out of life These engines are either sourced through exchanging our leasing books or we can acquire them unserviceable as well. In this example, the acquisition cost of these three engines is $6,500,000 Next, the engines are then broken down into separate modules Just to recap, each engine has three modules, so it's a total of nine modules Maintenance is performed to address durability issues and ensure each of the modules [indiscernible] last until it's limiter.

In this scenario, we are investing $3,500,000 to bring the total investment of these engines to $10,000,000 Finally, on the right, you're you create you assemble the modules to create two serviceable engines with consistent life across each of its modules. In this scenario, the third end via its parts. In total, the total value of these engines is now $16,000,000 So effectively, we created $6,000,000 of additional value So this example demonstrates the power of green time optimization where one plus one is a lot more than two, And as the business continues to grow, the ability to optimize green time only increases our strategic capital initiative will further enhance our ability to optimize Green Pine, because we'll have a committed backlog and we'll be in higher volumes. And with insight on what that backlog looks like, we'll be more efficient into actually producing modules and engines more effectively. And I think we also illustrate on Page 15 that exponential growth that Joe was talking about, which ties into scale in the business.

Great. Thank you so much. Our next question comes from the line of Josh Sullivan with The Benchmark Company.

Your line is open. Good morning.

Good morning. We just dig into the new Quickturn Center Europe Why was this the right joint venture in Rome? How should we think of the ramp Maybe what percentage of your customers are already in Europe and what having a local facility might do for turnaround times or politics or even new capabilities for Avtai? Sure. This is David. I'll take that question. So we're very excited to add Roam to our MRE network And we're very excited because as you pointed out, the first focus is geography. So about 40% of our customers today are in the Europe, as well as Rome has great connectivity to The Middle East, and this specific facility actually has the Chinese certification then gives us access into China. As the second reason is its capabilities. So this facility has a lot of the similar capabilities to our Miami facility.

Where it is focused on CFM56. It has MRE maintenance capability as well as it has access to a test cell. So our plan is to reactivate that test cell in the next two years and bring that test cell online. Where it differs from the Miami facilities that also has access to Peace Power Repair, Like our they all have a deep history This one in particular has an history with an airline, Alitalia. It has had investments with Futansa, which at one point had a partnership. So they developed a lot of capabilities and that facility has been underutilized. So we're very excited to bring our volume to that facility and grow that. We believe we can start the MRE immediately after acquisition and then we can ramp up for the test cell and the piece part capability over time. Got it.

Thank you for that. And then just as a second question, I'm going to touch the loadstone here and just ask for if there's any updates on the PMA approvals. But also maybe how has the PMA part approved late last year performed? Are lessors using that part or is there any resistance? Yes. I'll take the second part first. FTAI The part approved last year is being installed in engines. And the prior part which has been in service now over two years flown almost hundred thousand hours in our own in our engines and is performing extremely well. And ultimately, I mean, that's what matters with PMA is that the the part is high quality and durable.

And lasts a long time and that's what operators are that's what we're seeing and that's what operators are experiencing. So that's great news. In terms of the approval, again, we don't forecast when actual part numbers will be issued. We did say that there's been a substantial amount of progress made and we are very close on the next part.

But that's pretty much the same thing we said the last time. But it's it still stands to be true.

Thank you for the time.

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Giuliano Vologno with Compass Point. Your line is open.

Good morning. Yes, congratulations on another great quarter and the continued execution fundamentally and also expanding the runway for the business. One of the questions I was curious about asking you was a bit more of a macro question terms of the evolution of the industry. But as a lot of the legacy operators come out of their midlife legacy assets, what do you think the impact will be on the industry will the industry become more fractured and fragmented as some of the larger legacy operators start to sell off some of those assets to smaller operators? [indiscernible] Globally.

And I'm curious how that impacts you in the MRE business and creates more opportunities over time for you to expand the MRE platform. Even the SCI platform as well?

Yes. No, it's a great question. It is an important dynamic in the evolution of that aircraft in that today you have probably about 20% of the engines are operated by those large very large carriers that have maintenance facilities and are harder for us to get at because they don't outsource that function the way the others do. But over time, all of those aircraft are going to come out of those fleets and they're going to or not all of them, but almost all and they'll and they will go into small and medium sized airlines around the world which will need our services. So you can think of you probably have a 25% growth opportunity just on that phenomenon coming out of having those airplanes cascade down into second third tier operators, cargo operators, charter airlines all around the world. So that's a very important industry dynamic, which has happened in every other aircraft platform. The other thing is if you look at the the macro on the industry spend, aviation week just put out new numbers on expected total spend on maintenance for V2500 and CFM56 engines. Remaining relatively constant at $22,000,000,000 through 02/1930. And so you've got another five years where they're forecasting this the maintenance spend, which is our addressable market, is going to be relatively constant for those engines.

And as we said, we're at 5% of that right now. And so we don't see any reason why we couldn't increase that market penetration to 20%, 25% over time. That's very helpful. And maybe a slight note. Follow-up on that question, but I'd be curious when you think about that opportunity, obviously, there's a lot of midlife aircrafts that need to transact. But I'm curious now that you're scaling out the SCI programs, does that give you a very good opportunity to kind of intercept those assets that would normally maybe be sold to mid tier operators and then maybe try to capture them and acquire them into the SCI vehicles and lease out to the mature operators and then recapture the maintenance. I'm curious if there's an opportunity for you to kind of intercept that cycle that typically happens and also become the lessor and the maintenance provider conversion cycle. Yes.

And the answer to that is yes. And I think that's only accelerated through the strategic capital initiative where we're well capitalized and we're a fantastic buyer of these assets. Now we can do the entire service, which we can own the aircraft Via this strategic capital initiative, can offer leasing and then we can do the maintenance. So it's the entire program So that really does accelerate our ability to penetrate aircraft more rapidly. And the other I mean the other dynamic is from the eyes of the customer, which is the airline, they don't see any difference between FTA Aviation and SCI FTAI. We are managing the entire relationship. And so from their point of view, that's where they're dealing with FTAI and they're going to do as many of them said, they're going to do more engine business with us because we're all also doing we're becoming one of their biggest owners of their fleet.

That's very helpful. Congratulations on your while you're suggesting raising the vehicles and making everything happen quickly. I'll jump back in the queue and We'll move on from there. Thank you so much. Thanks.

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Brandon Oglenski with Barclays.

Yolanda is open.

Hi.

Good morning, Joe and team, and congrats on all the developments Obviously, surviving the recent volatility here. So onwards and upwards. John, I wondered if you could talk Appreciate it. John, I wonder if you could talk to your customer base, the airlines and how they're thinking about the NGs and the A320 prior generation family because I think you just quoted something from Aviation Week that expectation is that the maintenance is going to remain flat for the next five years.

But just given how long it's FTAI Boeing to get back up and running, is this going to be a platform that runs longer than people think?

That's our bet. Yes. And it's the two points you mentioned, there's This lack of new deliveries, there's a hole in people's expected growth from that. It means they're going to hold on to these current generation assets longer.

And then secondly, there's still durability issues on the new technology that are causing higher operating costs in the industry and a requirement in some cases where airlines have to have more aircraft of the new type to fly the same schedule as the old type because they the engine is coming off wing earlier than they expected. So those are dynamics that I don't think are going to change anytime soon. So David can speak to the operators, but we think they're going to hold on.

Yes. We're seeing a lot of airlines extend let's say, five to eight years. So we're seeing that longevity of this platform go further and further.

As Joe mentioned, these seven thirty seven NG and A320 CEOs are just a very durable product. So you know exactly what the costs are going to be. It's very predictable. So a lot of airlines are holding on to these aircraft as long as possible.

Appreciate that response. And then can you talk to your customer base during the quarter I know you guys are doing I think, a lot of one off transactions, but how successful have you been getting folks to contract for forward engine events in the future? Yes.

So it's a combination of let's say, spot transactions and then we have programs with a lot of large airlines.

And these programs we're seeing as far as let's say three years So for example, we'll have a airline come in to say, we want to do fan exchanges for the next three years. So those are effectively contracted in our backlog. As we mentioned, the strategic capital initiative is going to give us a contractual backlog. I think that's also going to give us greater access to the future.

And those leases typically are anywhere from two to, let's say, seven years. But the average duration being around four years. So we're going to have a four year duration backlog [indiscernible] And as far as pricing, we've again, I think we've said this in a few calls, but every customer who has bought the product, who's tried the product has come back to buy more. So it's as I mentioned, it's a it's a product that offers cost savings, time savings and it's a predictable product versus shopping your engine.

Thank you.

Thank you. Please standby for our next question.

Our next question comes from the line of Hillary Kakinandu with Deutsche Bank.

Your line is open.

Hillary, check to see if you're on mute. Well, sorry about that. I was on mute. I guess you could hear me now, right? So could you go over the structure of the strategic capital initiative? For example, who owns the assets? Is it a special purpose vehicle and who ultimately takes the residual value risk of those assets? Is it the LP investor of the special purpose vehicle that takes the residual value risk? And then if you could just talk about what type of returns the LP investor could expect from investing in those assets in the current market?

Sure. I can do everything except the last part. But in terms of the structure, just to lay it out sort of simply, if we assume it's $4,000,000,000 of total capital, Approximately 70% of that will be provided by the debt providers that we announced yesterday. So call that $2,800,000,000 dollars Then $1,200,000,000 is the remaining number, which will be equity. And those are called a partnership. SCI is effectively a partnership. And there'll be third party investors for 80% of that capital and FTAI Aviation will put up 20% of that capital. So call it $240,000,000 from EFTI Aviation.

And the owner of that asset is the partnership And the residual value risk of that asset lies with the partnership.

FTA Aviation is the general partner and will manage the partnership. So we'll make investment decisions and asset management decisions And as I mentioned, we'll manage relationships with the airlines. But the legal owner of it will be the partnership.

And we're not Got it. That's very helpful. Returns, okay, got you. That makes sense. And then I guess staying on SDI, I guess you'll probably get new revenue items tied to SDI. I guess you'll get management fees and incentive fees as well as earnings from minority interest. Could you just go over like how these fees work? For example, what are the criteria receive incentive fees? How much are you charging for management fees?

And, yes, how they work.

Yes. Sure, Hillary. I'll take that. So high level, we expect to be minority LP interest holder in the SEI. So on the balance sheet, you'll see it presented as one line as our investment. And then from earnings perspective from the partnership, we'll get pro rata equity earnings on the P and L. Addition to that, as you mentioned, we'll get a management fee for the assets that the partnership owns as a percentage And in addition to that, based on a hurdle calculation, we'll also be able to earn incentives So like what the percentage you're charging for management fees and like what are do you have to meet some sort of criteria? To get incentive fees?

Yes. But we're not disclosing the the quantum at this point, but I would just say it's in line with market for this type of investment. Partnership.

Got it. Okay, great. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Thank you. Please FTAI by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ken Herbert with RBC.

Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Yes. Hi, good morning, everybody. Good morning. Hey, Joe.

Joe, maybe just to start, the Montreal facility was a headwind to margins in the third quarter. It seems like you had some recovery there. In the fourth quarter. Where do you seeing with some of the legacy third party contracts there? Have they completely rolled off how much of a headwind was that in the fourth quarter? And how do we think about that into 2025?

Yes, there were still some of it in the fourth quarter. I think it was sort of impacted the margins by one to two percentage points. So we had I think a little under $20,000,000 of legacy business and it was below 10% margin. So it was a drag on margins in the fourth quarter. And as I said, without that, we would have been 35%, 36% margins. It's the most, if not, a lot of that is gone at the December. There still are a couple of tag ends, but it's it's less of an impact in Q1 and it should be totally gone by the end of Q1.

Okay. Perfect. And last quarter you called out sort of the new customer additions you think about the sort of 600 fleet operators, can you comment on how many customers maybe you added in the fourth quarter or any assumptions sort of underlying penetration of obviously fleets you're not working with today from an MRE standpoint? [indiscernible] we're not going to do that every quarter. As I said, we you can only be a new customer once. That's my fear of this. But it was double digits in terms of new customer adds. And we're now more focused I think on market penetration and market share and looking at that, with the $22,000,000,000 of spend, our revenues are about $1,000,000,000 in 2024. So we're under 5% and we're targeting ultimately over period of much higher market penetration. So we're going to be measuring off more off of that at on a go forward basis. But there are as we said, there's six six hundred operators out there, people don't realize how fragmented and virtually every airline in the world Owens or operates an A320 or a seven thirty seven.

It's like it's the core of everyone's fleet and they're highly reliable, dependable, They're great cargo airplanes. So it's going to there's going to be a long, long tail on this fleet.

Perfect. I agree. Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Myles Walton with Wolfe. Line is open.

Thanks. Good morning.

Joe, I just wanted to clarify on the the SCI, I think you said that you're moving on to your second partner in that relationship And just curious if you can clarify, is the first partner you have currently at a larger equity stake than you are, just how far you are in [indiscernible] the 80% outside yourselves of the equity partnership.

Yes. So what it's not just a partner, it's a it was the first closing that we had at the December And what I've said is that was a substantial amount of the total equity that we're seeking. It is greater than what we've invested we're planning to invest.

And we are in the process of organizing a second close which we expect to occur in the next couple of months.

It's possible that there may not be a third closing, but we could also have a third closing in probably in the third quarter with some smaller investors to fill out the group. But but that's our that's our plan and where we are in the capital raise on the equity.

Okay, perfect. And then you mentioned $1,000,000,000 of investments that you're seeing now in one of your remarks, is that in addition to the $558,000,000 that you're seeding the portfolio with? No, it includes that. Okay.

Okay. And I mean the other question I had is and thanks for the color on the cash flow presenting for 2025, In there is, I guess, replacement CapEx of $310,000,000 And I know that the SCI part of it is to go to a more capital light approach. Is that replacement CapEx something you'd expect on a on a go forward basis? Or is that more of replacement CapEx relative to the seeding of the aircraft you're putting in? Yes. It's meant to be that replacement. So it's not a go forward number. And we look at the same thing last year. If you sell to be clear, if you sell $200,000,000 of assets in order to keep the business going, you should buy $200,000,000 of assets. That's the That's the intellectually honest way to look at that number. And so we are selling assets from the balance sheet. And we would expect to invest some of that money in engines, some of the same types of historically We could buy aircraft that have engines that we might scrap the airframe and put the engines in our MRE. So there's a lot of deals that would not fit into SCI that we would continue to be eligible to do on [indiscernible] Okay.

Okay. And then last one, if I could, the Slide 13 David, you you went through on the green time optimization. It didn't look like you were adding cycles in that exercise, but the margins were quite high. I'm just curious how often are you not adding cycles and getting that kind of margin return, which is obviously a lot larger than the margins implied on the next slide?

So that was an illustration where we were not adding cycles. We We had cycles often. That's happening via performance restoration that we'll do on each of its modules. So every asset, every module is unique.

And depending on what the build is, we're going to be doing different work on it, right? So we are adding cycles that's via Performance Restoration LLP replacements.

Okay.

Thanks again. We're also doing repairs on those modules. To make sure that they last as long as the limiter lasts. So there is work being done on it.

Okay. Thank you. Yes.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Steven Trent with Citi. Line is open. Yes.

Thank you, everybody. And good morning to you.

I believe that Angela had mentioned earlier that you guys received, I believe, dollars 11 some odd million from insurance claims from your equipment that got stuck in the Russian Federation Could you refresh my memory sort of where the rest of your outstanding claims stands?

Yes. Good question and good to positive developments on the insurance side. And did receive $11,000,000 in the fourth quarter. We've also received over $22,000,000 in this in the first quarter of this year.

Already with one of our major insurers and insurers are moving to settle now. And I think it once once that starts, it typically accelerates because whoever's left that doesn't settle ends up with a big legal bill. So we [indiscernible] We wrote off in total back in 2022 at about $88,000,000 in assets that were in lost in Russia. I think we've recovered $38,000,000 to date. And we expect to recover more than the $88,000,000 in total and it should all be this year. I expect, I hope.

Okay. That's great color. Really appreciate that. And just one other thinking about the industry, I know there's very little detail at this point. What might happen with import tariffs here and what have you But I asked one of your competitors a couple of weeks ago do you think that tariffs do get enacted then it could actually push airlines to do more aircraft and engine leasing rather than than direct purchases. So sort of pushing the tariffs into whatever a few more basis points of our long term leads for us as the one time impact of paying a tariff at the point of purchase, maybe an oversimplifying this, but would just love to hear your thoughts. Thank you. No.

Well, there's so many theories about what tariffs actually are going to do that that's when I hadn't even heard, but that we hope that happens. It's sort of good if it's good for leasing, it's good for us. But it's really hard to know impacts are going to hit yet. And in aerospace as an industry is going to be affected if on new deliveries. So that to me is more immediate if it becomes more expensive to buy new aircraft and new parts We have an advantage there because we're not buying new That's super helpful. Thanks so much.

Thank you.

Please stand by for our next question.

Our next question comes from the line of Andrei Madreit with BTIG. Your line is open.

Hey, everyone. Good morning and thanks for the question. Address the elephant in the room, I guess, good to see the audit successfully concluded. But looking at the current accounting and the fact that is becoming an increasingly smaller portion of mix, Any plans to pivot the the accounting model to more of a COGS format? I mean, and away from The way you currently account for the acquisition of leasing equipment, Any color there, super helpful. Yes. I'll take that, Andre.

Yes, I definitely think that the move that we already had started making of 2024 and we'll continue to make in 2025 as more of our business is shifting over to the industrial manufacturing aerospace products business. So I think that's absolutely fair. It's not something that will change overnight. But as you've seen with additional disclosures, we've added in our filings and color that we've added on our cash flow presentation, I do think that that's something that we are working through diligently and you should see more of operating outflow related to our purchases over the next year.

Our goal is to convert the whole company to industrial accounting hopefully, we can do that once the aerospace product business is more than half the EBITDA of the company.

Got it, got it. Super helpful. And then I guess another one for both of you. I mean, Looking at the EBITDA outlook for the coming year, I mean, how should we expect it to play out? What was the cadence look like? And maybe what are some of the moving pieces that might drive things upward or downward? As we go through the balance of the year?

Well, if you look back over the last, what, two years, it's I mean, you can kind of use a ruler, but it's not there's no we don't see any change in the cadence So the typical seasonality in the first quarter then kind of contributing to a step up through the balance of the next three?

There's not we haven't detected any seasonality really in this business. There's historically, there's an argument that airlines tried to avoid doing maintenance in the third quarter.

Of the year and they tried to do it in the first quarter. But we provide something that is an immediate just in time solution And if an engine if an airline needs an engine in August, we'll have an engine in August for them. So So they don't have any downtime if they use our product. So so FTAI, we haven't and obviously, we've been on a pretty rapid growth rate. We're up EBITDA is up 100% year over year. So we don't see an effect of seasonality in the business at this point.

Got it, Scott. I think we're more focused on overall production, So I think we outlined in 2025 for targets an average of 100 modules per quarter in the Montreal facility. So we're extremely focused on ramping up Montreal. We finished the year at Q4 at 75 modules. I think that's in the earnings supplement. So that is our focus, right? And as we mentioned, really kind of three initiatives around ramping up, right? It's specialization, where we have the workforce that touches a specific module, let's say an LPT module they're going to do that all day every day. That's going to bring up a lot of efficiency. The second is standardization. Which means that we have a doctrine on work scopes, meaning when we get modules, we know exactly what to do depending on what we find.

And then number three is we've launched since we've acquired in September, we've launched in incentive program for employees that's based on quality and production metrics. So us, we're strictly we're very focused on production at that facility. As well as Miami and I think Rome is going to increase the capacity that we have overall in the facility in our MRE network.

Excellent. Awesome. Thanks all for the comments. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, would now like to turn the call back over to Alan for closing remarks.

Thank you, Joanda, and thank you all for participating in today's conference call. Look forward to updating you after Q1 FTAI.

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. [indiscernible]