IAMGOLD Corporation Price & Performance (IAG)

While we have experienced a relatively benign first half, recent severe storms in New South Wales extreme rainfall that we've seen in Queensland and the terrible wildfires in LA of course, are a stark reminder of the need to be prepared and the importance of having a strong insurance sector. I was in Townsville on Friday and I saw firsthand the devastating impact weather is having on our communities. And of course, this event is still unfolding. So our thoughts are with everyone who's in that challenging environment And of course importantly, all the wonderful people are helping with recovery efforts. We know the shocking images of floods the January LA wildfires have had an impact on how people think about risk. Our research shows heightened awareness and concern across Australia and New Zealand around preparing for responding to natural disasters. Forty eight percent of people are now more concerned about their safety and protection needs. Eighty six percent are more inclined to take proactive action and forty six percent are more likely to seek information on actions they can take to prepare for and respond to a bushfire. As an industry, we have a critical role to play in helping people address these needs.

At IAG, been doing our bit to build resilience for our customers and communities and make our countries safe. Over the first half, we paid over $5,000,000,000 in claims to help our customers recover from loss. We introduced more ways for customers to receive pricing benefits. By taking positive actions to reduce risk We know people are experiencing stress from cost of living pressures. And we're working to minimize the impact of those premium increases. Many people are doing it tough. And we're here to help. In the last six months, we've offered tailored assistance support over 10,000 customers who've experienced financial hardship. We're helping educate our customers on their risks provide the information they need to make their world a safer place. Inside IAG, improving customer experiences and outcomes by driving efficiency, managing our costs, delivering major technology programs and enhancing the products and services that we offer. And the results are positive. Our customer experience measures are high both Australia and New Zealand, and our renewal rates remain strong. These measures reflect the confidence our customers have in our brands, and the quality of the services we're delivering to them. Our focus on offering retail insurance products through some of the most trusted brands in financial services be further boosted in Australia by the new strategic alliance that we have with RACQ we announced in November.

It's now in the process of regulatory approvals. Our investments in people and technology delivering benefits. For example, improvements to our claims management capability means that unresolved claims at the lowest levels since the twenty twenty two floods. Our retail enterprise platform continues to significantly improve customer including elevating our pricing capability, with clear evidence of improved risk selection and clear evidence of new business volumes growing. We have now migrated more than 3,000,000 policies to this platform. And are scaling this by around 300,000 each month. NRMI Insurance Insurance, will have fully migrated onto the retail enterprise platform by April. Importantly, the platform provides us with the capability and capacity to support future growth. Now let's turn to the financial results for the half. And what you see here the quality of our business, with consistent and reliable performance across our portfolios. And steady progress against our strategic priorities. Within these numbers, we've disclosed the impact of natural perils, dollars $215,000,000 below allowances for the half and the $200,000,000 release from BI. At an operational level, our underlying margin which has adjusted for the Perils impact for the half, was in line with our through the cycle target of 15%.

And we've declared an interim dividend of $0.12 per share. After adjusting for this payment, and the funding for RACQ Strategic Alliance, our pro form a capital position remains strong. Thought I'd spend a moment looking back at the performance of IAG over the last five years, You see on this slide, the average ROE in that period. Is just under 10%. Which is below our targeted return of 14% to 15%. And of course, we have experienced volatility predominantly driven by natural perils have negatively affected IAG, and the broader industry. At the same time, we have to continue with a sharp increase in sustained inflation in our motor and home businesses over the last couple of years. Pleasingly, that's moderating in the last six months. We have made material changes to the way we operate IAG. And we've put in place a comprehensive reinsurance protection to reduce this volatility for our customers, our partners, and our shareholders. We know we've had a positive performance for the first six months of FY 'twenty five. Driven by those favorable perils. But we think it's really important to look at our results over the medium term. We have to be strong so we can support our customers and communities and ensure that Australia and New Zealanders are well prepared for risks ahead.

Moving to our retail business here in Australia. Three to four years ago, set out some ambitious goals for this business. Help an additional 750,000 customers and delivering $400,000,000 in savings for the transformation of claims management. And Julie and the team continue to make some great progress towards those goals. They're more than halfway towards our customer growth target and have achieved more than $160,000,000 in savings from the evolution of our claim [indiscernible] GWP growth this half in this business was around 6%. Reflecting solid results in both our home and our motor portfolios. Customer renewals remain strong we've seen improving growth in recent months as premium increases have moderated. We are investing in supply chain enhancements such as repair hub And this is helping to reduce the average number of days to repair which is contributing to improved customer satisfaction. We're boosting our digital capability through apps. And the retail enterprise platform is helping us achieve higher digital conversion rates. And through our brands, we're supporting the community. And you've seen us no doubt with Cricket Australia over the summer. We're doing the same with the Adelaide Fringe Festival and Surfing Australia while continuing the important work the Australian Red Cross and others to drive grassroots preparedness.

The underlying metrics of our NMA Insurance brand are very strong. It's the most trusted brand in insurance for the third for the third consecutive year. And this year, we're celebrating one hundred years of helping Australians. A great time to reflect on our wonderful heritage of course our bright future. Our Intermediated Australia business achieved a great result. Premium growth, was over 10%. And we expect this performance will be ongoing as the business invests in its fundamentals. Quality pricing and underwriting expertise. After exceeding its $250,000,000 profit target last year, Jared and the team are now delivering strong results a transitioning market by maintaining that pricing and underwriting. [indiscernible] Our key segments performing well. Particularly workers' comp. Where we're growing strongly. I'm pleased with our WFI business. Which has improved its NPS by five points to 55%, following changes that we've made to its distribution structure. There's been a 50% to 70% improvement in the average closure time for simple claims. And much of this has been driven by AI enhancements such as Cassy in property claims, which we're now expanding out to the broader commercial clients. And in the second half, the business will invest further in transformation.

And in measures to improve its efficiency through our commercial enablement project. Turning to our New Zealand retail business. Amanda and team have delivered strong underlying result but growth in New Zealand has been challenging. Given the state of that overall economy. Strong margins reflect sustained efforts to improve the fundamentals of this [indiscernible] For example, we've made progress on claims management and we're passing those benefits onto our customers. The business has significantly improved closure rates and claims are being paid faster. Simple claims in our New Zealand retail business can now be closed in three days. In the supply chain, we're seeing the benefits of our repair hub model. And we're expanding Homehub, to Christchurch. Continue to invest in our brands, and we're boosting our digital capability through apps. [indiscernible] Moving to our New Zealand intermediator business. And we're very pleased with the performance of NZI. Which has delivered a sound result in a bit of a challenging market. In the commercial business, disciplined underwriting has reduced our large losses. Other highlights here have been strong customer retention, and the uplift in customer advocacy that we've seen in the last six months. And with that, now hand over to William, who's going to talk through the numbers in a bit more detail.

Thank you, Nick, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with the high level financial summary shown on Slide 14.

In one age 25, IAG has delivered a strong set of numbers. We've reported solid top line growth, improved margins and have finished the half with a strong capital position. The NPAT was up 91.2%. Reflecting a higher insurance profit, a strong return on shareholders' funds income and a €140,000,000 post tax release from the business interruption provision. Our cash earnings, which excludes the business interruption provision, were up 54.2%. Our interim dividend has increased 20% to $0.12 per share When we adjust for the business interruption provision release, this represents a payout ratio of 45% and we maintain our full year payout policy of 60% to 80% of earnings. Our reported margin of 19.4% is well above our FY 2025 guidance of 13.5% to 15.5%, reflecting the benefit of $215,000,000 in favorability of natural perils to our assumption. Excluding our usual adjustments, the underlying profit of $747,000,000 with a margin of 15.1% is a quality result and I'll now focus on its key drivers. We've recorded solid GWP growth of 6%, in line with our guidance of mid to high single digit, On an underlying basis, adjusting for certain impacts, such as the exit of the Coles portfolio, foreign exchange effects and the benefits of multiyear workers' compensation policies, underlying GWP growth was around 7%.

Over the half, we saw premium rate increases moderate following easing claims inflationary pressures. This has been more noticeable in New Zealand due to the economic environment where the commercial insurance market is showing signs of softening. [indiscernible] GEP and NEP recorded strong growth at 10.89.7% respectively, which benefited our earnings in the first half. In terms of our underlying margin, The half year result of 15.1% was towards the top end of our reported margin guidance range and showed strong growth compared to 13.7% in 1H twenty four. As we said in June and August, we've increased our natural perils allowance for the full year to $1,283,000,000 dollars resulting in a 17% increase in the natural perils allowance to £641,000,000 for the first half of twenty twenty five. Which is an 80 basis point drag on margin. This was more than offset by the 300 basis point improvement in the underlying claims ratio. There was also a 10 basis point decrease in the expense ratio, and the investment yield while solid, saw a decline from the very strong performance achieved last year. So this is a high quality result And along with the added conservatism we've taken to protect any downside risks, it positions us well to deliver against our full year profit and margin guidance.

I'll now talk to some of these individual movements in more detail. In terms of underlying claims, which exclude all peril, reserving and discount rate effects, the ratio has improved to 52.6%. We're pleased with the trend. We with the current period outcome representing an improvement of 300 basis points relative to this time last year. The underlying claims ratio was sustained in IIA and we saw a strong improvement in RIA and New Zealand. All three operating divisions benefited from the strong net earned premium growth, And in addition to this, RIA saw lower motor inflation as a result of the work the team has done to improve supply chain and repair network capacity. RIA also benefited from lower total loss claims and third party costs. IAA has seen improvement in long tail experience. With short tail classes in line with expectation. And the team is focused on the delivery of claims initiative benefits including improved closure rates and recoveries and reduced fraud. And in New Zealand, the AMI Motor Hub Network has expanded to 10 sites, including a new large center in Wellington. These sites not only deliver improved customer satisfaction, but see around 20% lower costs. In terms of natural perils experience, 125 perils of $426,000,000 was $215,000,000 below our allowance, and we've continued to adopt a prudent approach to reserving for individual peril events.

In January and February so far, we have seen events across our In January, we saw East Coast storms and hail, and more recently, the North Queensland Monsoon event and further storm activity unfolding across Victoria and New South Wales in the past [indiscernible] These mean that our January and February to date perils costs could be around $100,000,000 above seasonalized expectation. This effectively reduces the year to date natural perils favorability to around $100,000,000 although it is, of course, still early days. Given the inherent uncertainty, we've maintained the full year perils estimate of $1,283,000,000 This is aligned with the attachment point of the long term Perils Volatility that we purchased from Berkshire Hathaway in Canada Life. We're well protected for any downside. And we retain upside in all cases where perils are less than $1,283,000,000 pounds Our reinsurance costs for the half have increased by £125,000,000 primarily due to our strong additional perils and reserves protections. We've reviewed our AAASB 17 modeling And relative to our original assumptions, this has resulted in a moderate acceleration of reinsurance cost recognition in this result. On expenses, admin costs on an ex levies basis have increased approximately 5% compared with 30 basis points to 11.9% compared to 12.2% in 1H twenty four.

At our Investor Day last December, we outlined a target to reduce this ratio to under 11%. And I'm confident in the work the team is doing to achieve this efficiency target in FY twenty twenty seven. We achieved a strong investment performance across our Technical Reserves and Shareholders' Funds portfolios. Which has been a key contributor to our result this half. While investment yields declined slightly, the 5.5% return achieved on the Technical Reserves portfolio contributed to an income of £227,000,000 in the first half. In our shareholder funds portfolio, we delivered a strong 2,000,000 contribution this half with positive performance across gross and defensive assets. The overall shareholders' funds portfolio continues to remain more defensively positioned with a growth asset weighting of around 22%. Finally, on capital. We finished the half in a strong position, and I've shown some of the In August, I noted that we had not yet recognized the capital benefit from the long term perils cover, but this has now provided a benefit of approximately $150,000,000 or five points.

Our strong earnings are the largest component of capital generation during the half, and this has been partially offset by the capital impact from payment of the FY 'twenty four final dividend. Other callouts in the waterfall include the benefit from utilizing tax losses which contributed four points and the capitalized impact from our investment in technology, which while partially offset by increased associated amortization, has led to a net three point impact. The CET1 position December 31 is well above our target. Taking into account our interim dividend of $0.12 and the impact of the RACQ acquisition of 22 points, the pro form a capital position is around the top end of our CET1 This means we're well positioned to consider opportunities Going forward, With that, I'll now hand back over to Nick. Hi. Thanks, William. And so you can see from our results this half, while we're confident of delivering against our FY 2025 guidance, Within that, expect our reported insurance margin to be towards the top end of our range and that's assuming full utilization of our perils allowance. And based on improving claims trends, helping to moderate premium increases, we do expect our premium growth to be towards the lower end of that mid to high single digit range that we provided.

And this moderation in premium increases we're seeing across our portfolios is of course a positive for our customers. That all provides confidence the future. We have some of the best consumer brands in the world. And Julie and Amanda are now well positioned [indiscernible] We've built a scalable retail enterprise platform makes our current needs and our growth aspirations. Awaiting regulatory approval on RACQ's strategic alliance. And our customer focus modern technology platform and claims management capability Our commercial businesses under Jared have been reset with renewed underwriting discipline and has contributed to a material uplift, the financial performance of IAG. And our equivalent business in New Zealand NZI, is delivering strong results. And critically, we will retain an efficient capital platform to support our businesses reducing volatility Insurance we can fund future growth opportunities. William and I are now happy to answer Our first question comes from Karen Chigi with UBS. Good morning, guys. A couple of questions, if I can. Just [indiscernible] the revised GWP growth guidance, would you mind walking through, I guess, where the change has come on a forward view by portfolio and sort of Nick, where you're expecting pricing to moderate more sharply?

Obviously, New Zealand is an obvious market given the very strong margins there, but so domestically as well interested in feedback on price momentum inflation. Yes, sure. Hi, Karen.

I mean, really what we're seeing is inflation coming down.

So across those sort of talk about motor and home portfolios, What we're seeing in our pricing, what we're seeing in our actual lift experience has been those costs are coming down where as we know a year or two ago they were sort of everything we looked at was double digits. That's not the case now. Motor is sort of low to mid sort of single digit type cost increases is sort of the run rate there. Property is a little bit more than that still sort of mid to high single digits, but Because of that, now we're reflecting that more so in our pricing. And so therefore, when we looked at our overall sort of guidance that was sort of mid to high single digit, we still sort of got the same range. We can just see that when we look at what's happening with pricing, this is across Australia and New Zealand. In fact, some of those inflation numbers I gave, that's probably a blend. New Zealand are at the low end of all of that. From what I just said. That's now being sort of reflected in price [indiscernible] we're sort of guiding towards that lower end of that that guidance that we provided in August around growth.

Margin is the other side of that story, which is sort of the opposite. [indiscernible] Okay. And Nick sort of just given the fairly flat comment on units in Home and Motor. In the half. What's sort of the desire now that margins are sort of on an underlying basis already around the 15% level, is it trying to reinvigorate volume growth from here?

Yes. I mean, definitely. When we've got we want to be growing our retail businesses in particular. I'm almost divide that into two. Though. So our New Zealand retail business, it's pretty tough environment New Zealand with the economy not growing either. And we were flat or maybe even slightly negative in New Zealand in the six months in relation to volume. We've definitely got aspirations to grow. And some of the changes in pricing and the likes that I've or some of the improvement in inflationary environment as in the reduction of it. The flow through to pricing is obviously going to make that a better market to achieve that. I think Australian retail is a bit of a different story where we have got growth. So that business is growing in the half. And we really saw a bit of an uptick actually in sort of November, December and we've just looked at at January as well. We can see volume growth happening genuine volume growth happening in the Australian retail business. So I I'd say the trajectory there is sort of more positive and it's got some evidence in the last two or three months of that volume growth occurring.

So slightly different stories Aspiration though, so I come back to that, is definitely for our retail businesses in Australia and New Zealand to be growing in volume at least in line with market. As we look forward.

All right. Thanks. And Just So one So two questions on the financials. The guidance of sort of the towards the top end of the range for this year on a reported basis, but obviously you're still allowing for your initial full year [indiscernible] So you envisaging underlying margins moving from sort of low 15s to high 15s in the second half. Is that sort of how we should think about the trajectory on underlying from here?

I mean, Cameron, what we've said is the run rate for the first half was sort of just over 15%. That's sort of the on the underlying when we sort of look through the perils positive for the first six months. As you know, we've just sort of normalized that for the full twelve months. Yes. We're pretty comfortable with that run rate, which is sort of where where we want to set the financial setting of the company. And that's why we've guided towards the top half of that guidance going forward. I mean, the business has clearly got positive momentum.

Okay. All right. All over there. Thank you. Your next question comes from Andrew Buncombe with Macquarie. Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Just two from me. First of all, how are you thinking about volume growth in the Australian commercial lines portfolio? [indiscernible] Andrew, I mean, we're saying I mean, we're looking for I mean we're careful. I mean we don't we're sort of with retail I'm saying I want our retail businesses in Australia and New Zealand to be growing at least in line with market and maybe a little bit more. Commercial, we're way more sensitive to this topic. And we don't have such strong growth ambitions as well as the way I've described retail, but definitely where we think it makes sense to be able to grow in that market. I will say that market is it's a little bit tougher today than it was six or twelve months ago. There's still growth in that market. We're be my comment, but it's definitely a little tougher that the market environment Australian commercial than say when we were standing here in August.

Yes. And then my second question is just in the context of the CET1 on a pro form a basis being at the top of the range. You've made a couple of comments around looking for other inorganic opportunities. There have been different bits and pieces in the press. Maybe in that context and operational how do you think you would go operationally integrating two Big Bites at once?

Yes, thanks. I mean, so step back. I mean, we have we're being really clear. Commercial growth in commercial we're looking for organic opportunities where it makes sense without any sort of Australia or New Zealand. But organic opportunities and we'll be very sensitive to market conditions as we think about growth in our commercial businesses. In retail, it's a bit of a different story. Invested heavily, as you know, in a sort of a retail enterprise platform, McCormina. Essentially, that's the that's sort of at the back and it sort of sits now across pretty much all our retail businesses in Australia and New Zealand and we're migrating onto that at pace. And we've got 3,000,000 customers from NRE Main out on that platform. Of course within that also sits earnings pricing and some other capabilities. So we've really built this platform that's very scalable. And we can see that now coming to life, and it really creates efficiency but also some customer benefits and pricing and a whole lot of things. So within our retail businesses, our ambition is to grow and I talked to about this with the market in December, both organically and inorganically. RACQ is obviously an example of inorganic, but what organically as well and we're certainly focused on organic growth within those two businesses.

And we'll continue. So I believe we've got a scalable platform built for our Australian New Zealand retail businesses where we can grow including inorganic opportunities if they're available that makes sense for us. And then you know we'll look at that case by case. But we want to continue to grow this business and see an opportunity with the platform we've built do that.

Great. That's it from me. Thank you. Your next question comes from Julien Berganza with Goldman Sachs.

Just an initial one following on [indiscernible] Initial question on margins. Just wondering, just kind of get a bit of context just from first half twenty twenty five to second half twenty twenty five. Is there any color how you're thinking about margins just given your 1Jan renewal?

Any comments around that? And also just the you flagged 3% improvement on just the NEP versus I think claims inflation, just how you're expecting that to track currently into the next half? Just those two particular line items and how you're expecting that to come through? [indiscernible] I mean, we're expecting the I mean, I think the underlying margin we have our 15% long term through cycle target. We're around that now. I would expect the second half to be to attract similarly and that's kind of obviously supports what we've said about reported margin guidance for the full year in the context of Natural Perils. I wouldn't say anything particular in relation to I mean, we completed the reinsurance renewal successfully. And there's those other moving parts going on about both claims inflation and then also how we're rating for that in line with what Nick talked about a moment ago.

Yes, we can probably say our one January renewal for reinsurance was out or slightly better than we were expecting So there's no there's nothing in that that sort of causes us concerned in our second half margin outlook.

Okay, great. Thanks for that. And then then maybe just a second question on reinsurance cost increases of €105,000,000 increase flagged. You just maybe just break up that number for us this in terms of because I know first half twenty twenty four had some one off reinsurance reinstatement. And ADC costs. So just the underlying increase in costs into this period. I guess somewhat related to your perils volatility, Kalahashi, we're thinking about that. If you just break up that $125,000,000 increase Yes, sure. So if I the £125,000,000 I mean the largest component of that is the The new peril stop loss, the one we announced in June that started in on the July 1, and that's the cost of that relative to the the cost of the previous underlying layers that we had below the The first year's cost of the ADC, one that we also bought in June, protecting all of our Australian long tail liabilities. Another component in there is the ARPC, so for the cyclone pool. So that launched that we went into that just before we just gone into that half year last year. This year, we've got a full six months of the cost of that in there as well.

So those are those are probably the three most significant components of that increase. Okay, got it. That's clear. And then last question for me, on competition and pricing. Just interested just like Class A business where you are seeing pricing pressure, particularly relative to inflation and where you may be more concerned around underlying margins? Just any classes where you could where rates may not be keeping up with inflation? Thanks.

I mean, I'll make some high level comments on that because it's we've got lots of different parts of parts of the business. I don't see us pricing below inflation anywhere. Of any materiality or not intentionally. So I don't think that's the same across our portfolios. And the market continues to be rational would be my observation. I would say the market is not obviously just IAG that's experiencing these reduction in inflationary pressure. Mean that's a market factor as well. So we're seeing the market react to that. I mean, the most sort of movement in pricing is within the commercial sectors. New Zealand is probably tougher than Australia as well in relation to that topic at the moment. So that's probably where to your question where there's obviously other factors around that are driving that. Some of those global. That's where there's sort of more pricing pressure than other parts. But as a general theme, no, we're not price below inflation anywhere.

Your next question comes from Nigel Piddleway with Citi. Good morning guys. I was wondering whether first of all, I could just ask a bit about home claims inflation and maybe you could expand a little bit sort of where the components where you've seen improvements and whether there's any components that are still giving you any remaining concern?

Yes. Hi, Nigel. I mean, we go across our in Australia and New Zealand, And the themes in New Zealand are even less than Australia. So it's all coming back, but sort of coming down like this. And Australia, I sort of said, well, the the group's mid to high single digit Australia is probably at the top end of that and New Zealand's at the lower end. Would be my sort of summary. What we're experiencing is just sort of More I mean there are pockets where this is not true of course, but labor costs generally are down. There are some pockets that's not true, but labor costs are coming down. So supply costs are coming down. And so we're seeing I mean, I assume we'll see you see this in other industries that are involved in the building industry. With that cost pressure and insurance is just a slither of the building industry. Repair type buyer, not a rebuild buyer, but just generally they're coming down in both supply and labor and that's sort of driving this lower lower environment. At the same time, some of the dramatic increases that we saw in that really changed a lot in a very short period of time almost at the same time as these inflationary pressure, they've been mitigated a lot too.

So they're sort of stabilized. So that's so the combination of that of reduced labor, supply costs, supply chain together with Insurance, obviously that package is then taking some of the pressure of pricing in property. And everything I said there in New Zealand is even more so. That's sort of single digit type inflationary pressure we're seeing in property. Sometimes even lower.

Okay. Thank you for that. And then previously, you've mentioned that the new enterprise system would be supportive in terms of volumes, and you did make some comments that in retail, had seen a bit of improvement over the last two to three months, I guess the question is, is that delivering what you expected? And do we expect more benefits from that moving forward?

Yes, yes, definitely Nigel. So I mean and to be fair to our claims, the retail business in Australia and the NRMA sort of only now just about to be fully on because we're doing this month by month. New Zealand is probably six or seven months behind that as in New Zealand's on, but we're rolling it through now. And so that capability is obviously being deployed month at a time on renewals and then all new business as well. So sort of what we're in that transition at the moment, what mean encouragingly, so then our main Insurance is at the front of this. And that they'll be all the way through in about April of this year, What we are seeing sort of evidencing this point, we are seeing probably stronger growth than we've seen for a long time. Within that NMA proposition in the last two or three months. And so what we believe with that enterprise platform, the capability that sits there with pricing, some other things that we build around that flexibility with proposition to customers some more attractive proposition and that's going to help drive that retail growth. We've definitely got the Australian retail business ahead of New Zealand on this.

But you know, I'm you know, we expect in the next six to twelve months we'll be evidencing that in both countries of the value of what we've created here.

Great. Thank you. And mainly, just finally, you seem to have sold all your convertible bonds this period. Was there sort of any [indiscernible] What's the sort of logic behind that? William, yes. Thanks, Nigel. So I mean, look, our overall investment strategy is is pretty consistent. And as you know, I mean, in the shareholder funds, we're majority in defensive assets. We have 22% growth assets at the moment. Within that, there is a a modest allocation to what we call alternatives, And within that, we're just rebalancing a bit and we've pulled back from convertibles just as part of that process.

Okay, great. Thanks very much. Your next question comes from Andrew Stadnik with Morgan Stanley. [indiscernible] Good morning. Can I ask my first question around the intermediated division? I think previously you were talking about reviewing the operating structure, considering additional reinsurance and also I think implementing a new operating platform Like how is that review progressing in terms of the intermediate [indiscernible] [indiscernible] Mean, this is going to be a transition.

And so we're doing all those things. We're doing all those things carefully. One step at a time. But what the thing about what we've done here is we're sort of Jared's got his arms around this business. We've really improved underwriting discipline, price Seeing we've got [indiscernible] going our way. And we're looking now to continue to invest in this business. To sort of to ensure we really have a sustainable long term competitive business in this Australia and New Zealand markets. Part of that is going to be continue to invest in technology there's a multiyear program of work that we're investing in there and that's going to take that's not a six month piece of work, that's a multi year We'll continue to look at capability. Then sort of that last comment around volatility almost and sort of capital you know, we continue to look at that. I mean the concept which we've said before, are being sort of capital light, we like, Most of the arrangements, the big arrangements we have in place around volatility from natural perils, which is our main volatility driver. Obviously, the commercial business has in Australia and New Zealand some additional volatility and we continue to look at that as well around what else can we do to manage that volatility and that's a work in progress I would say.

Yes. Thank you. And just wanted to share in terms of the currency impact with the threading dollar, moving lower just in the last few months. How should we think about that flowing through to claims inflation and in terms of how you might be hedging around that or how you might be thinking about a price response?

Yes, I think it's pretty modest. When we look at the parcel of goods and the fact that we've got repairs both labor and parts and And we look at this a lot I've never really seen a hugely material currency impact that flows directly through to us. It's sort of got so many legs to that. I mean, we're watching this point. Closely. It's a similar comment around tariffs and it does a sort of a reintroduction of tariffs around the world. Does that sort of put any more inflationary pressure on our supply chain that we utilize? At the moment, we're watching that. At the moment, we're not seeing that. But that's as you'd expect, we'll continue to monitor that really closely. And ensure that pricing reflects anything that we're seeing.

Thanks very much. Our next question comes from Sidoti Parameshwaran with JPMorgan. Good morning, gentlemen. Couple of questions if I can. I was hoping, Nick, if you I was wondering if you could just provide some color around what's happening in New South Wales CTP. Your listed peer called out some adverse trends there and I didn't see you call out anything. I was just wondering if you could just comment on whether there are any any issues in the market that you're aware of? Yes.

I mean, there's a high set. I mean, there's a few.

We're definitely seeing a bit of an uptick in frequency [indiscernible] priced I think at the top and then we're looking to probably move again. From what we're experiencing. I mean you might come in William.

Yeah. And on CTP, I suppose, for us, we also have a as well as our whole of account quota share, we have a 30% quota share on CTP. So I suppose that will mute somewhat any effects from us. But we are seeing some effects there. And actually, the keen eyed among you might have noticed that we do have a a £10,000,000 increase this period in our onerous contract provision. Under IFRS 17, which relates to New South Wales CTP As I said, it feels like it's the same themes. Mean, we've strengthened something by about 10,000,000 Yes, there's some challenges there. It's not not running out of control, but there are definitely some challenges and we've reflected that in pricing going forward too.

Okay. Thanks for that color. Maybe if I could just ask a second question, just maybe just on expenses, I was hoping you could just give us an update on whether there is any I mean, what's actually happening happening on your expense ratios in the first half versus the the second half. I think you're guiding to overall expense ratios being flat for the year previously. I was just wondering if you could comment on how those trends are tracking? And if you could just provide any color on the break up first half, second half and just the components of it the components of the expense ratio as well.

Yes. I'll write a theme and then William, you go into that. I mean the theme is we're trying we're sort of we've got quite a big program of work to reducing the cost structure of running IAG. We're well into that. That's sort of the day to day. The same time we're investing. So we're trying to the two things happening. Our run costs call it that are coming the outlook on that's down. At the same time, we continue to invest in the business to set ourselves up for success. So we're trying to manage the blend on that. I mean, overall, You can see that we're sort of our expenses were about 5% up half on Harvold.

Twelve months, half comparison. And And we've got some targets out there of sort of delivering an outcome. With a lower cost base of running IAG going forward. We're on track on all that in relation to the elements of that. William, maybe you come in.

Yes. And of course, the I mean, as the headline expense ratio, including commission, I think that was down 10 basis points The actually levies were up a bit in the period. So [indiscernible] the expense ratio, the admin expenses, including levies, was flat year on year, but then we were 30 basis points down ex levies. And that's with the holding the increase 5%, whereas NEP was up 9.7%. And I think I've made a few comments about the how there's a bit more of that is the investment for growth a little bit less is the investment to maintain. At the moment also, we are in this period when we are we're transitioning the retail business in Australia and New Zealand on the enterprise platform, we've kind of got both lots of systems. Plus there are other things we're investing in that will be sort of accretive forward. I mean, that's part of the sort of things within this program that Nick referred to. We've got a number of those going on. So that can mean that while we're confident that we're on track to get to the 11% or below by FY 2027. That there is some cost we incur on the way there as well, which is within the numbers you see today.

Okay. Okay. Thank you. Just maybe a final question for me. Just the reinsurance the new reinsurance arrangement, I think there was a profit commission related component if there were favorable experience versus your versus your where the reinsurance kicks in. I was just wondering if you could just comment on whether any of the benefits of that were taken in this period or how is that being accounted for?

Yes, I made a comment about we've looked at our ASB 17 modeling. And so it's a five year contract and that profit commission is a component of it through the five years. Within the actuarial modeling, there's some element of that, but we've been prudent in the assumptions we made around that. And I'd I'd say to the tune of low 10s of millions of dollars in this half year. I mean, I said take that word away, prudent. I mean, well, I think we've taken prudent conservative approach here.

Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Your next question comes from Anthony Hu with CLSA.

Good morning, guys. Thanks a lot for the opportunity. Just one question. Just around the ROE you've got an ROE this half of just under 19% on a cash basis. And you're talking about a through the cycle target of 15%. Just wondering if you can give some insight into at what point do you kind of switch tack that maybe be willing to become a lot more aggressive. At what point do you feel like maybe you're at the top of the cycle and you're ready to go a lot harder Yes. I mean, I think thanks for that. I mean, the way I sort of think about the business is where headline margin was was high, but underlying margin was at just over 15%, which is kind of the financial setting. If I sort of apply that to the ROE sort of the the run rate ROE, call it that on a more normalized perils remembering that ROE that that you just mentioned include the benefit of first half perils, which were lower than expectation. I think the business right now is in that run rate, sort of 14% to 15 The headline ROE, the one you just mentioned, has been positively impacted by the lower than expected perils for the first six months.

So I mean our view is we've sort of got the IAG at the right setting there between margin ROE and the real focus for us is around growth, sort of holding that margin around 15%. Delivering on that 14% to 15% ROE on a normalized perils year, which I think is the only way we can think about it. But at the same time, which is we've got a little bit, but we want more of it, around growth and particularly growth in that retail business. That's the the three buckets that we're really focusing on the overall financial setting of IOG.

Your next question comes from Andrew Adams with Berenjoey. [indiscernible] the premium rate and inflation comments? So we've called out noted GWP growth of 6.3%. Driven by rate increases, volume flat, Home GWP growth 6.1 driven by rate increases with volume flat. So I'm getting rate of 6% in Home and Motor. You've called out inflation high single digit. So am I not now getting rate below inflation or what's the disconnect there?

I mean, there's other parts of this story, obviously, with frequency as well. I mean, well, mean, I mean, the way I've generalized across these numbers is as you know, which is which is always difficult. Because the comment I would make is we're seeing costs come down, we're reflecting that in pricing. We're seeing volumes modest or New Zealand almost none or in fact slightly negative. Australia positive, but particularly in the last quarter and what I've seen in January. And we're seeing pricing come back across both those portfolios of motor and home in the six month period. When we generalize across motor inflation, claims inflation, that's quite a big macro comment. What we can see also is our businesses are not pricing below inflation. I mean, that's the comment I made before. So there's not going to be sort of margin contraction. Margin rate in home and motor is covering inflation. Yes, yes, across that. When I look at so let's broaden that out. There's claims costs in total. There's frequency and other parts to that. And timing differences as well around what we're saying. But it's the theme And just to kind of the exit rate.

So we would do an I-fifteen. So 17% grade increases six months ago. We've now averaged six in the half ECR. Is our exit rate kind of below that 6% or how do I think of that? That moderated really quickly just how do I think about that?

Yes.

I mean, I'd be thinking about it the way you said. So that's why if you think about it the other way around, [indiscernible] For the for the full year. To said mid to high single digit growth when we said we're going to be at the low end of that guidance. Which is really saying that sort of exit rate is towards the bottom end of that guidance.

Yes. All right. And so rate can continue to moderate from here I guess, is the Yes. I mean I'd sort of flip that around the other way and saying inflation cost pressure what we're experiencing is coming down. I mean, that's the that's what we see as a positive, obviously, for affordability and what it means for customers.

All right, great. And then just quickly on the profit commission. Where is that is that coming through my expense line and my claims line or where am I seeing that pop up?

Sorry, the question around [indiscernible] [indiscernible] think that's in that thing that's embedded in the in the premium in the reinsurance costs, which of course would be within NEP, so in sort of bottom half of all of the fractions.

So there is some PC net reinsurance costs. So if we normalize it, then reinsurance costs could be a little bit higher on a non [indiscernible] Yes. The IF under WASB 17, the accounting is a little bit more complex in terms of sort of valuing the full five year [indiscernible] [indiscernible] Yes. All right. Thanks very much, guys. Sorry, that prudence relative to our original assumptions on that.

Yes. So can we be clear on that? I think Andrew, just to be clear, the reinsurance expense for the first six months in total is what I would call prudent.

So I would say That's it.

If you have few questions around what's the run rate of our reinsurance expense of IAG going forward, I'd be using that or more positive from that. That's a pretty prudent that we booked for the first half.

Right. But if I did have a full period of of claims in line with my allowance, the reinsurance costs would be tens of millions higher.

I don't think so. No. [indiscernible] All right.

I'll take it offline. Maybe I'll just understood the comment. Your next question comes from Kieran Chigi with to Mr. Hawking for closing remarks.

Hi, thanks everyone. I mean, I'll just just some few thoughts from me to leave. We running this company in a very targeted and efficient way and we're really pleased with that. As I've just been talking about premium increases have started to moderate We're seeing more of that in motor, but but property as well. Know that inflation is coming down Although of course, it's not over. We're still seeing some impacts across our business. Importantly, the innovative reinsurance arrangements that we've got in place are reducing our volatility. And of course, important, we've got a strong balance sheet. An efficient capital platform. So what that does of course, I want to leave you with the message. We're confident about the future and our ability to deliver a target margin of 15%, ROE of 14% to 15 which we believe that sort of equation which I stepped through before balances the interests of all of our stakeholders. Hey, thanks for taking the time. I know you guys got a busy day today. For joining us on this call.