Imperial Oil Limited Price & Performance (IMO)

Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Peter Shaw, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our 4th quarter earnings conference call.

I'm joined this morning by Imperial's senior management team including Brad Corson, Chairman, President and CEO Dan Lyons, Senior Vice President, Finance and Administration Sherry Evers, Senior Vice President of Sustainability, Commercial Development and Product Solutions and Cheryl Gomez Smith, Senior Vice President of the Upstream. Today's comments include reference to non GAAP financial measures, The definitions and reconciliations of these measures can be found in our Attachment 6 of our most recent press release and are available on our website with a link to today's conference call. Today's comments may contain forward looking information Any forward looking information is not a guarantee of future performance and performance and operating results can vary materially depending on a number of factors and assumptions. Forward looking information, the risk factors and the assumptions are described further in detail on our Q4 earnings release All these documents are available on SEDAR plus EDGAR and our website. I'd ask you to refer to those as well. Brad is going to start with some opening remarks and then hand it over to Dan who is going to provide a financial and then Brad will provide an operations update Once that is done, we will follow with the Q and A session.

With that, I will turn it over to Brad for his opening remarks. Thank you, Peter, and good morning, everybody. And welcome to our Q4 and full year earnings call. I hope everyone is doing well and your New Year is off to a good start. And apologies for my scratchy voice as I recover from a cold. But I'm really pleased to report another strong quarter for Imperial as we wrapped up [indiscernible] We saw excellent operational performance across all our assets which largely offsets the impact of lower commodity prices on a sequential quarter over quarter basis. And despite the lower prices, our ability to continue to grow production and deliver strong downstream reliability resulted in a very solid end to 2024. Our upstream continues to set records and we achieved the highest 4th quarter when adjusting for the XTO divestment We also realized the benefits of TMX Pipeline and additional egress, which resulted in much narrower and more stable differentials compared to a year ago. Our downstream business also performed very well over the quarter. And contributed solid earnings with lower turnaround activity and higher utilization. We continue to benefit from the structural advantages of the Canadian market that supports stronger financial performance, despite softer refinery crack spreads.

Over the next few minutes, Dan and I will detail the results of a very strong quarter. So now let's review the 4th quarter results.

Earnings for the quarter were 1,000,000,000 $225,000,000 with cash from operating activities of 1,000,000,000 $650,000,000 when excluding the impact of working capital. For the full year, earnings were 4,000,000,000 $790,000,000 down slightly from the prior year. Also worth noting that we delivered our 2nd highest earnings per share of $9.03 These results reflect continued strong operational performance and our ability to capture value for our shareholders. In the Upstream, we achieved total production of 460,000 gross oil equivalent barrels per day in the 4th quarter. This marks the highest 4th quarter production over the past 30 years, when adjusting for the historical volumes associated with the divestiture XTO assets and resulted in the highest 4th quarter upstream earnings in the company's history. The strong 4th quarter results also contributed to the highest annual upstream production in over 30 years. At 433,000 barrels per day even when including the divested XTO assets, Our strong operating performance led to a unit cash cost reduction of nearly US3 dollars a barrel. When comparing to full year 2023. And looking ahead, we expect to continue to lower our unit cash costs based on advancing further growth and structural cost reduction initiatives Kearl continued the year with yet another strong quarter which resulted in us achieving the asset's highest ever annual exceeding 280,000 barrels per day this year on a gross basis.

I'm very proud of the team for achieving this production milestone and I know they are squarely focused on carrying this momentum into 2025 and achieving even higher volumes. I'm also extremely pleased by the performance at Cold Lake. We delivered very strong performance in the 4th quarter with the planned turnaround activity behind us and all of the new Grand Rapids wells producing. Our transformation of production and unit cash costs at as we leverage solvent recovery technology with impressive results. In the Downstream, all our assets performed very well and with the only planned turnaround activity in the quarter being the completion of the maintenance work at NanoCoke that we discussed on our last call. Refinery throughput averaged 411,000 barrels per day which equates to a refinery utilization in the quarter of 95%. And a full year utilization of 92% which is at the top end of our 2024 guidance. The 4th quarter also saw us continue to maximize shareholder returns. We completed the accelerated NCIB in mid December with purchases of 1,000,000,000 [indiscernible] $1,000,000 in the quarter In addition, we paid $317,000,000 in dividends in the quarter for a total of $1,200,000,000 in dividends, for the entire year.

And in total, we returned $3,900,000,000 of cash to shareholders in 20 24 dollars $16,000,000,000 over the past 3 years. And finally, this morning, we declared a dividend of $0.72 per share payable on April 1, 2025. The $0.12 per share or 20% increase is the largest nominal dividend increase in company history. This is further demonstration of our commitment to growing the dividend and returning surplus cash to shareholders. It also reflects our confidence in delivering on the guidance we communicated in December. As we move into 2025, we remain focused on our core strategy of optimizing our existing asset base to maximize shareholder value. A strategy that has allowed us to increase our quarterly dividend per share by over [indiscernible] 25 percent since 2020. So with that, I'll pass things over to Dan to discuss our financial results in more detail.

Thanks, Brad.

Starting with financial results for the 4th quarter, we reported net income of 1.2 $25,000,000 This represents a decrease of $140,000,000 from the Q4 of 2023 primarily as a result of lower margins in our downstream business partially offset by higher upstream production. When comparing sequentially, 4th quarter net income is down slightly from the Q3 of 2024 primarily driven by lower prices partially offset by stronger operational performance. Now shifting our attention to each business line and looking sequentially, upstream earnings of $878,000,000 are down $149,000,000 from 3rd quarter primarily due to lower realizations, partially offset by higher volumes. Downstream earnings of $356,000,000 are up $151,000,000 from 3rd quarter mainly reflect and favorable foreign exchange and inventory effects Our Chemical business generated earnings of 21,000,000 from the 3rd quarter.

Moving on to cash flow. In the 4th quarter, we generated 1 $780,000,000 in cash flows from operating activities. Excluding favorable working capital effects of $139,000,000 Cash flows from operating activities for the Q4 were 1,000,000,000 $650,000,000 down $147,000,000 2024. We ended the year with nearly $1,000,000,000 of cash on hand. Shifting to CapEx, capital expenditure totaled $423,000,000 in the 4th quarter, down $46,000,000 from the Q4 of 2023. In the upstream, 4th quarter spending focused on sustaining and growing Syncrude and Cold Lake. And the downstream 4th quarter spending mainly continued to progress our renewable diesel project at Strathcona. Full year 2024 capital expenditures totaled 1,000,000,000 $867,000,000 Shifting to shareholder distributions. Consistent with our strategy to timely distribute free cash flow, we returned $3,900,000,000 to shareholders over the course of 2024 Moving into 2025, we continue to demonstrate our long standing philosophy to deliver a reliable and growing dividend As Brad already noted, we declared a Q4 I'm sorry, we declared a Q1 dividend of $0.72 per share early this morning which will be payable on April 1.

This represents an increase of 20% compared to the 4th quarter dividend of 2024. Now I'll turn it back to Brad to discuss our operational Thanks, Dan. I know you've all had a chance to look through the numbers, but I do want to focus your attention on some of our key performance highlights. Upstream production for the quarter averaged 460,000 oil equivalent barrels [indiscernible] And as I mentioned earlier, this represents the highest 4th quarter production in over 30 years when adjusting for the XTO divestment. Production was up 13,000 barrels per day versus the 3rd quarter and up 8,000 barrels per day versus the Q4 of 2023, mainly due to higher volumes at Coal Lake. Our upstream also delivered The best full year production in over 30 years with 433,000 oil equivalent barrels per day. A 5% increase in total or a 14% per share increase versus full year 2023.

So now let's move on and talk specifically about Kearl's record year.

Kearl's production in the 4th quarter averaged 200 and 99,000 barrels per day gross, which is up 4,000 barrels per day versus the 3rd quarter and 9,000 barrels per day lower versus the 4th quarter record previously set in 2023.

As targeted, Kearl achieved over 280,000 barrels per day in 2024 and set the full year production record of 281,000 barrels per day.

It's also worth noting in the last 5 years, we have grown Kearl production by 75,000 barrels per day which is over 35% This marks a significant milestone in Kearl's journey to deliver record production through efficient growth initiatives and achieve unit cash costs below our previously stated target of 20 dollars per barrel. We've made major strides at lowering unit cash costs at Kearl over the past few years. The full year unit cash cost of $19.67 per barrel reflects the hard work of the entire Kearl team. Not only to meet our previously set target of $20 per barrel, but to beat it. And talking with Cheryl and the team, they continue to find new opportunities and leverage the current momentum to drive down Munich cash costs even further. This is very exciting and I look forward to sharing at our upcoming Investor Day, some of these opportunities and how they will help to support our new target of US18 dollars per barrel. And as we begin 2025, Kearl is off to a very strong start. It is on track to set another record with January production over 280,000 barrels per day. Turning to another highlight of 2024, Cold Lake.

For the 4th quarter, Cold Lake production averaged 157,000 barrels per day which is up 10,000 barrels per day versus the 3rd quarter and up 18,000 barrels per day versus the Q4 of 2023. The impressive quarterly results were driven by better than expected lower cost barrels and starting the transformation at Cold Lake and further reducing our unit cash costs towards our stated $13 [indiscernible] dollar target. The strong production resulted in unit cash costs of US14.21 dollars per barrel in the quarter, which is a decrease of over [indiscernible] $0.50 per barrel compared to the same quarter last year. And on a full year basis, our unit cash costs of $14.75 per barrel is more than $2 per barrel lower than last year. A major highlight this year has been our new solvent assisted SAGD production from Grand Rapids, and it continued to impress in the 4th quarter. Last quarter, I highlighted Grand Rapids achieving an average of 15,000 barrels per day and on an instantaneous basis seek seeing peak rates of 22,000 barrels per day. While I'm pleased to be able to confirm that these volumes were maintained, resulting in an increase of 7,000 barrels per day up to 22,000 barrels per day for the 4th quarter.

While early, our data shows clear upside on the original project funding basis of 15,000 barrels per day. And I continue to look forward to the 1st full year of Grand Rapids production in our operations in 2025. And the advancement of future solvent assisted SAGD growth projects at Coal Lake. The next step in our transformation of the Cold Lake asset is the Lemming redevelopment project Construction continued on the facilities through the quarter which will leverage existing infrastructure and steam capacity. Start up is expected to begin in late 2025 an average about 9,000 barrels per day at peak production. And now a few comments on [indiscernible] Imperial share of Syncrude production for the quarter averaged 81,000 barrels per day which was flat versus the 3rd quarter and down 4,000 barrels per day versus the Q4 of 2023. During the quarter, Syncrude continued to utilize the interconnect pipeline to import bitumen and gas oil driving record annual upgrader utilization rates and producing about 9,000 barrels per day Our share of incremental Syncrude Sweet Premium in the quarter As we move into 2025, we look forward to continued focus on reliability and costs at Syncrude. Now moving on to the Downstream.

Which also had strong operations in the 4th quarter. Overall, we refined an average of 411,000 barrels per day reflecting a utilization of 95% our highest quarter this year. And compared to the Q3 when we had turnarounds at Nanticoke and Strathcona, we processed an additional 22,000 barrels per day. The strong 4th quarter and the successful execution of turnarounds throughout the year enabled us to achieve the top end of our 2024 full year guidance with throughput of 399,000 barrels per day and a utilization rate [indiscernible] Looking ahead to 2025, we have a lighter turnaround year compared to 2024 and are on track to have the construction of the Strathcona Renewable Diesel Project facilities completed in the Q2. With expected first production in the middle of 2025. Petroleum product sales in the quarter were 458,000 barrels per day which is down 29,000 barrels per day versus the 3rd quarter and down 18,000 barrels per day versus the Q4 of 2023. Results year over year reflects some variability in discretionary sales choices and were not driven by market demand. Overall, we continue to see resilient demand in Canada with gasoline and diesel [indiscernible] and Jet recovering over 100% when compared to 2019.

Turning now to Chemicals. Earnings in the 4th quarter were $21,000,000 which was down $7,000,000 versus the 3rd quarter mainly driven by lower prices, partly offset by the absence of the Aeromatics earnings shift in the Q3, which we previously discussed. Earnings in the quarter were up $4,000,000 versus the Q4 in 2023, due to the absence of the prior year turnaround activity and partially offset by lower prices and the Aeromatics earnings shift. So in closing, this was another excellent quarter to finish off a very strong year. We achieved record volumes in our upstream significantly reduced our upstream unit cost and delivered high downstream utilization. And as we begin 2025, I'm confident in the team at Imperial and our ability to deliver another very strong year as we continue to create significant value for shareholders by progressing on our journey to achieve the new volume and unit cash cost targets we outlined in our recent guidance And similarly, we look ahead in 2025, our commitment to shareholder returns is unchanged. We have demonstrated that ongoing commitment with the accelerated completion of our NCIB in December and the announcement today of our largest nominal dividend increase ever. I'm very pleased by the operating momentum that we have carried into this new year and I'm excited by the opportunities we have ahead of us to increase volumes lower costs and deliver greater free cash flow for our shareholders.

And before I wrap up, I would like to recognize Sherri Evers, for her many contributions and accomplishments as part of our management committee over the last 4 years. Her leadership of a diverse portfolio resulted in significant progress across many key areas of the business. [indiscernible] her instrumental role in pathways since day 1, We wish her all the best in her new role with ExxonMobil. As always, I'd like to thank you once again for your continued interest and support.

And now we'll move to the Q and A session and I'll pass it back to Peter. Thank you.

Thank you, Brad. As always, we'd appreciate if you could limit yourself to one question plus a follow-up so that we can get to as many questions as possible. With that operator, could you please open up the lines for questions?

Thank you. [indiscernible] And our first question comes from the line of Manav Gupta with UBS.

Wanted to start by congratulating the management on another 20% dividend hike.

Brad, if my memory is right, when you took over, the quarterly dividend was close to $0.22 and now you have raised it to $0.72 during your tenure. So it does take a very strong track record of execution to achieve that. Just wanted to congratulate you on that.

My first question is on refining. Your earnings are up materially quarter over quarter. When we look across to U. S. Refiners, the earnings are down 50% to 70% quarter over quarter.

Help us understand what's driving the resilience of refining here I understand you operated at a higher rate, but still this is in stark contrast to what we are seeing for U. S. Refiners.

If you can help us understand the resilience of refining here.

Yes. Thank you, Manav. And first, I really appreciate your recognition of the dividend increase over the last few years. [indiscernible] something our organization is quite proud of. As we have continued to grow our cash flow generation abilities, and obviously return that to our shareholders. So we're all quite proud of that and thanks for that recognition. In terms of the refining strength, I'd say there's a couple of drivers there.

First of all, as I've commented on the past, the Canadian refining sector and especially our Imperial Refineries are well advantaged versus U. S. Counterparts. We have access to advantage crudes We continue to have strong demand in the marketplace. We have exceptional infrastructure that allows us to move our products to premium outlets And then as you also mentioned, we had really superb utilization over the quarter, which allows us to take full advantage of the market fundamentals that we see. So we put all that together, a very resilient and profitable downstream for us and we're quite happy with that.

Perfect. My second is on grad Grand Rapids. It's clearly helping you drive production records at Core Lake. Can you talk more about why the results of Phase 1 actually exceeded your expectations? Any future phases as well as limiting, which can allow you to continue to grow the volumes at Cold Lake. Thank you.

Yes. Thanks for that question. We are extremely pleased with what we're seeing at Grand Rapids. Certainly higher volumes than kind of the funding basis that we previously shared with the market with an objective of 15,000 barrels a day as indicated we're seeing more in the range of 22,000 barrels a day. It's early days. We started up Grand Rapids in terms of producing volumes back in May. So we have 7 months or so of production run time, I would say, our reservoir engineers are very busy analyzing those results and understanding what the patients are for future phase developments at Grand Rapids. And as mentioned, in the past, we have several phases in the future. And so that's very exciting. And so so I think as time goes on, we'll be able to better describe not just the long term productivity of Grand Rapids Phase 1, but what it means for broader developments at Cold Lake. Way too early to tell about Lemming. We're in the process of constructing it, but Again, it's super exciting and reaffirming when we can start up a production project like Grand Rapids, which as you'll recall, we accelerated by about a year.

So we accelerated it and now we're seeing more production and all that adds a lot of value. So So I think just an exciting signal of what's ahead for the future.

Thank you.

And the next question will come from Dennis Fong with CIBC.

Hi, good morning and thanks for my question. For taking my questions. I guess the first one here is guess congratulations on another strong quarter at Kearl. I was actually hoping you could kind of dive in a little bit more into initiatives that you're currently undergoing that are helping kind of maintain again these high levels of performance, namely kind of focusing on maybe a little bit around the autonomous fleet as well as some of the technological advancements that you're applying to production. [indiscernible] a great question, Dennis. And as you know, I'm super proud of what the team's been able to achieve at Kearl and it's it's just been kind of a steady a steady result of record after record after record. And as you know from the guidance we set out, in December, are anticipating further production records, further reduction in unit cash and the net result of that is continued growth in cash generation. Cheryl is sitting right next to me here and she's got her hand on the wheel for Kearl. I'm going to let her make a couple of comments about specific to some of those growth initiatives.

Great. Thank you, Brad.

So as Brad mentioned, we're continuing to transform our mining business And I think it's important to start with the exceptional progress that we made in 2024 and how we're rapidly improving competitiveness. So in that space, I'll highlight a few things. We're going to continue on our journey with reliability and maintenance [indiscernible] The second part is around mine fleet productivity gains and this gets to your question specifically about our our [indiscernible] And I'm pleased to report that we've seen anywhere from 8% to 10% increase in productivity resulting from the automated trucks We're going to continue with debottlenecking and optimization including digital initiatives and we got a full slate of digital that we're leveraging across the board both within the plant as well as the mine. And final, I'll anchor it in we're really building a continuous improvement culture. So it's looking for those next opportunities across all that slate.

So plenty of opportunities as we look forward I think most important is building on that foundation of 2024.

And Ed, thanks for that, Sheryl.

And Cheryl mentioned this continuous improvement mindset and I have to brag a little bit on one example of that is around our turnaround duration. And you'll recall how just a few years ago, we were doing 2 turnarounds a year, each one about 35 days in duration. So about 70 days total. And we took a decision to reduce from 2 turnarounds a year to 1 turnaround a year extend that interval between turnarounds from 12 months to 24 months. So that took us from 70 days to about 35 days Since then, the team continues to look for ways to improve on the efficiency of those turnarounds And this last year, they completed the signal turnaround in less than 20 days. So we've gone from 70 days a year to 20 days a year and we're taking some steps in this year's turnaround to equip ourselves to potentially extend the interval even further and reduce that annual turnaround impact to something even less than what we've seen historically. So just another great example of how the team continues to capture benefits but doesn't stop there, looks for what's next. And I think that's a good example.

Appreciate that underlying context in just kind of the holistic approach that you're taking to development My second question, and if you'll me taking in a slightly different direction. You've obviously done a great job executing on projects that grow and develop. Existing assets within your portfolio.

Can you remind me a little bit on the priorities the company has or or focuses on when you're allocating capital, whether it be growth, M and A, A and D or shareholder returns? And specifically to you, Brad, obviously, you have the prior position to this one, circle experience with evaluating assets both within your portfolio and outside of the company? How you kind of rank in order and even look or evaluate how you examine your existing portfolio versus what or how you can make it better?

Yes. Thanks for that question. I'll offer a few comments and Dan may want to to jump in as well. But mean fundamentally on our capital allocation strategy, it is underpinned by this longstanding approach, commitment principle that we are going to return surplus cash. To our shareholders. And so that starts with this reliable and growing dividend And as you saw today, we've actioned that with another very material dividend increase. [indiscernible] then look at other opportunities to efficiently return surplus cash to shareholders. And so our NCIB has been our go to for many, many years. And then we're we've had additional capacity beyond that. We've looked to to exercise in SIB and we've done a few of those in our history and maintain the aperture for that in the future. So that's kind of the basic building blocks of of our capital allocation. I guess I should mention debt as well. We're at a level of debt that we're very comfortable with. So we don't see Really a priority to pay down debt at this point. We're at a very low level of debt leverage. So we're quite comfortable with that.

And then the question on M and A opportunities really comes to Looking at potential [indiscernible] outside our portfolio versus what we already have within our portfolio. And we're in, I think, a really unique position of having a deep inventory of really high quality capital to capital for those as relate to the existing assets. You hear us talk about what we're doing at Kearl, at Cold Lake, what we're doing at Strathcona. But then looking to the future, we're quite excited by the potential of the Aspen project And so we're actively progressing a pilot project that will allow us to fully validate and commercialize the EBRT solvent technology, which we believe will significantly unlock value for Aspen relative to other solvent technologies. So as that's a very material investment for us. Material production growth opportunity. So as we look at other M and A opportunities We're comparing those to things like Aspen. And so strategically to pursue an acquisition it needs to compete with what's already in our portfolio It needs to have unique synergies. And be really consistent with our longer term strategies. And that aperture is open. We have an internal team of folks that are regularly evaluating opportunities But up till now, we haven't seen anything that we believe is more value accretive than the projects within our portfolio like Aspen.

So we don't need to make an acquisition.

We're looking for something if it makes sense. So that's how I would characterize that. Dan, anything else on capital allocation? No, I think you covered it well, Brad, but just to maybe summarize, the reliable and growing dividend sort of the first place, the first stop for our free cash flow And then we go to sustaining capital and then we look at high return growth projects. Which would include, as Brad said, potential M and A, but it's a high bar given our return expectations in our internal portfolio And then since we're happy with our debt level, after that, it's return of the surplus cash to shareholders. So that's in a timely way. So we're no change to that. It's been our consistent philosophy for quite a while.

Great. Really appreciate the context from both you. I'll turn it back. Thank you.

And the next question will come from Greg Pardy with RBC.

Yes, thanks. Good morning. Thanks for the rundown. Brad. And maybe just first off, just all the very best to Sherry going to XOM. Wanted to ask you really on 2 fronts. 1 is a little bit more around Coal Lake. But probably the bigger one is how are you thinking about the the tariffs threat that you've got going on? I'm sure you've you've had time to analyze that and then there's a relationship with Exxon. How well equipped are you to withstand something like that? And then secondly is, as it relates to shareholder returns, is it really just essentially driven by cash balances? So in other words, if we did see tariffs and cash balances still ticked up to levels where you could repurchase stock, How would you sort of think about those? I know very hypothetical, but obviously just a huge issue obviously overhanging Canada right now.

All right. Thanks for that Greg. Yes, obviously, a lot of interest and discussion over tariffs. Really across all sectors, but especially energy and As I talked in the past, U. S. And Canada are really strong energy partners and benefit from each other. And the U. S. Heavily dependent on Canada's heavy crude. So we don't know what's going to happen with tariffs. And I don't have any unique insight but I along with many others have spent a lot of time educating on both sides of the border around kind of the unique and integral energy system that exists. And and how that is mutually beneficial to both countries And so I'm hopeful that as we move forward diplomacy will prevail and we will end up with no tariffs no restrictions on energy flow. I believe that's a win win scenario and anything else, any tariffs, will result in negative impacts broadly to the economy and customers. So let's hope we avoid those. But I can't control that. So what we're focused on is what can we control. And what we control is ensuring [indiscernible] we have The lowest cost of supply we have options for where we place our crude and products in the market We're trying to do that at the lowest possible cost And I believe that gives us unique resilience. [indiscernible] we obviously produce heavy crude We also are acquiring [indiscernible] to meet our refinery runs and some of those even as we see if heavy crudes are impact [indiscernible] to see some offset of that with the light crudes that we're running in our refineries.

So the strength of integration, I think, makes us much more resilient than others. [indiscernible] February 1 appears to be a big day. For tariffs. And so we'll be watching that closely. But I am confident that we will continue to be profitable, we'll continue to generate material cash flow and be in a position to return that to our shareholders. And that clearly underpinned our decision to raise the dividend today. Dan, anything you want to talk about with respect to shareholder returns or anything like that? Yes, Greg. You had kind of asked if Returns to shareholders and buybacks in particular would be driven primarily by cash balances or other factors like the tariffs. And I would say it's going to be primarily by cash balances especially given our low breakevens, our ability to generate cash going forward through a range of amount of debt. We don't need to have a huge amount of cash to sort of protect us going forward. However, of course, we'll take into account the environment with whatever is happening at the time as we make those decisions. But generally speaking, our philosophy has been consistent It's timely return of of surplus cash to shareholders.

Okay. So yes, very, very logical. And Brad, I want to come back to your your thinking just around acquisitions versus organic And I've mentioned before, every company seems to have significant growth initiatives underway right now.

When you kind of weigh acquisitions where there may already be an egress solution in place versus your organic growth initiatives where they're potentially could see some limitations on pipe capacity and so forth. Is that kind of dialed into your thinking when you go through that? That LP model Yes. Certainly, we would look at all assets what's the cost competitiveness of an opportunity, what's the long term running room of an opportunity, what are any unique egress considerations? Are there unique tax pool considerations, what's the carbon intensity So we'll take all those things into account And back to my earlier comment, at least up until this point, when we look at the value we see of an Aspen development It wins relative to anything else we would we would see when we look at all those factors together.

Perfect.

Thanks very much. Thanks, Greg.

And we have a question from Meno Holshof with TD Securities. Thanks and good morning everyone. I'll start with a question TMX, can we just get an update on the status of toll negotiations. Last I heard and it's been a while, but I believe the guide was from some of your peers was that it could be a mid year event.

But with all the uncertainties, including tariffs, is it fair to assume that mid [indiscernible] optimistic at this stage.

You.

Yes, Benno. Thanks for that question. I don't have a very specific update on that. Our teams are certainly directly engaged on it. But I don't have a very specific outlook on on what's a refresh timing. I would say obviously that more broadly speaking, we've been very pleased with the operation, the startup, the operation of TMX. And we are shipping on it on a regular basis.

And that's really all I'm in a position to comment on at this point.

Got it. Thanks, Brad, for that. And then maybe the second question would be on Strathcona. RD, in the press release, you reiterated that you're still tracking to a mid year startup, but we maybe just get a bit more detail in terms of what still needs to happen to get that project across the line? And then when you think about sort of cash flow positivity, is that Is it possible that we see that in the second half of twenty twenty five? Or is that more likely the 2026 event?

Yes. Thanks for the question. I mean, we're certainly excited by this project. It's We view it as quite strategic for us to expand our our slate of product offerings to the market. It's It's a really important opportunity for us to help decarbonize the industry. So view it as very positive. And as you'll recall, there's multiple components to the project. At the core of the project, is the manufacturing facility that we're building at Strathcona Refinery. And that construction is well advanced. Modules have been delivered We're in the process of hooking them up. And we expect to complete that construction in the Q2, which would then position us to start production somewhere around midyear. Now also 2 other really key integral components. Is, first of all, the the vegetable or agricultural oil supply stream. And so we are have been in the process of negotiating supply arrangements and we have sufficient supply established for us to be able to start this unit up And then we're looking at longer term relationships as well. So that work continues, but but ready to start up. And then the 3rd really important component is the supply of hydrogen. And so that work is underway by products.

And also working to be in a position to supply us with initial supplies beginning in this Q2 midyear timing. When we start up, I would expect we'll be at some reduced rates as part of a typical startup, and then over time as we look at how to optimize each of those components with market conditions that will determine how quickly we ramp up, what's the ultimate product volumes, really just like any other product in our refinery that we're constantly optimizing over time based on the cost of cost and availability of feedstocks coupled with market conditions and demand [indiscernible] But we feel really good about being able to start up midyear In terms of positive cash flow, yes, we view this as a very profitable undertaking for us. And we would expect to see positive cash flow in the second half of this year.

And moving on to Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs. Yes. Thanks so much Brad and team. I just want spend some time on upstream cash costs. I know you guys are targeting $18 at Kearl and [indiscernible] Cold Lake. Where are you in the journey? What's the next step? And what did this quarter tell you about your ability to ultimately get there?

Yes. Thanks for the question. I mean, we're well on the journey. We're obviously [indiscernible] $20 at Kearl now, and we're in the $14 range at Cold Lake and so well on our way. And maybe I'll ask Cheryl just to make a couple of comments about some of the near term initiatives that we have underway. But But as we laid out that guidance back in December, we feel quite confident in being able to achieve that.

Sure. Thanks Brad. Can we add a little bit more about Kearl starting with which is when we think about what's going to enable us to get to that $18 unit cash goal, it's really about leveraging the scale that we have as well as continued focus on reliability and optimization. So as we have that incremental production, we're going to be leveraging basically our fixed cost structure at Kearl and that's a very powerful lever in terms of lowering our unit cost.

So you heard me mention before, it's that continued focus on reliability, maintenance optimization plus deployment of digital solutions And so that in itself will get us to improve productivity well as lower absolute cost. If I think about the Cold Lakes side, that too is going to be leveraging our scale and as we grow our production mix to these higher volumes, that's going to leverage that fixed cost base we're also introducing lower cost barrels into the mix.

As we and Brad mentioned about the progress, the early insights that we're getting from Grand Rapids [indiscernible] as we continue this year with LEMMING, which are lower cost infills we're both growing and transforming the volume at Cold Lake. So it's both a numerator and a denominator opportunity at both Cold Lake as well as Well, that's the follow-up. It just the curl you talked about $280,000,000 to $290,000,000 this year with the goal of getting to 300 plus. I guess the question is how plus is plus? And so just your perspective on in a capital efficient way, how big could Kearl be In the context of the budget that you laid out?

Yes, thanks. I'll try to answer that. I think it's too early to tell. Big Plus could be. But the reason we shared that guidance is we do see the potential for future volumes above 300. And how much above 300? Will be determined by our ability to continue to unlock cost efficient barrels as we go forward. And we've been on this journey for 5 years now, if not longer, but especially within the last 5 years, where we were at around 200, 205, back in [indiscernible] And then we've continued to take very thoughtful very capital efficient steps to enable us to grow that And as announced, we said another we set a record last year. We set another record this year now at 281,000. And we see an increasing number of days that are above 300,000. For individual days and in some cases weeks months. And now what the team is focused on is how can they string together more of those days and of course be able to offset any planned downtime like a turnaround. [indiscernible] we see the potential for something above 300. But until we knock down barriers to get us from [indiscernible] to 290 and heading towards 300, I don't know that we fully realize what that potential is.

But we're going to only pursue it if it's capital efficient. But we've got a great base there.

With with material fixed costs. So generally, if we can add additional barrels, they're going to come at a lower variable cost to us and that adds value to the cash flow for the asset. So More work to come there, but I hope as you've seen us demonstrate over the last couple of years, we're laser focused on it. Thank you, Brett.

And the next question will come from Doug Leggate with Wolfe Research.

Hey, good morning everybody. Thanks for taking my questions. Brad, happy New Year. So I've got 2 breakeven questions, if I may. They both might be Dan's Bailey, but I'd love your perspective on it. First of all, someone I think it was Minerva or Greg touched on the dividend earlier. 20% is another sizable bump obviously, but what I'm curious about is where do you see your breakeven today? With the capital have on the growth whether it's today or whether it's projected on where you see the growth going, how does your breakeven evolve Because that headroom for dividend growth remains a potent advantage for you guys relative to your peers. And my follow-up is also kind of a breakeven question really to the balance sheet. You guys have got a stellar one of the best, if not the best balance sheet in the industry and have done for a long time. When we think of the SIB we tend to think about the question earlier about cash balances. We don't really think about well, yes, but you've also got this stellar balance sheet. So I'm wondering if you could give us an idea where would you be comfortable with your balance sheet moving to over time?

I guess if I could circle back on the dividend question, where would you be comfortable with the dividend breakeven moving to over time?

I appreciate the chance to ask the question.

Yes. Thanks, Doug. Happy New Year. I'll let Dan take take those questions.

First, I would just emphasize the work we have done to grow volume to lower unit cost, continues to allow us to improve our breakeven [indiscernible] what we're doing with the dividend is into integral to that strategy. I believe we've set our breakeven including dividend, is about [indiscernible] dollars a barrel, but I'll let Dan kind of walk you through that Yes. Thanks, Brad. Hey, Doug. [indiscernible] last this guidance call, I guess we had in December, which included of course our most current outlooks on volumes and capital and everything. We said our cash breakeven was for WTI U. S. Dollars less than $25 and for With dividends as a stated capital less than 30 5. So those are great numbers, obviously. And as Brad pointed out, we continue to our goal is to work that down through volume growth and unit cost reduction which give you headroom for dividend increases and other things and keeping the breakeven tight.

I would say we like the low breakevens that we're not wedded to them. Those are pretty low and that wouldn't it wouldn't stop us from growing the dividend.

If we were above some if our breakeven went up a little I mean, that's a good reason for the breakeven to go up because you've increased your dividend, reason would be higher unit costs and things like that. So I can't give you a detailed numbers except to say we're going to keep working it.

On the breakeven side with our volumes and unit cash costs And on the dividend side, what we do is we look out over a future Imperial, we put some conservative assumptions on that and we say, okay, kind of dividend increase could we sustain? That's kind of our model and we'd like to that's what led to this 20% dividend increase this year and last year in fact. So we see with our outlook even at conservative estimates, we see room to continue to grow our dividend in a robust fashion. But we'll always be careful and make sure it's sustainable. So it's probably not getting to the detail, but hopefully that gives you some more some more color on our thinking.

It does, Don. What about the balance sheet in terms of the SIB? Because obviously, you've got a lot of headroom if you did want to take of that I feel like I we answered this question just recently, maybe the prior earnings call, I'm not sure.

Look, is it possible we could borrow to buy back shares? Certainly is. It hasn't been our practice. We've said we're happy with our debt level. About 4,000,000,000 dollars and you're kind of returning 100% of free cash flow beyond that.

Certainly, we would be willing to leverage our balance sheet for attractive investment opportunities, M and A things that make sense for us, we're accretive, we met our criteria. It certainly remains a possibility for buybacks, but that's not what we've historically done. I'll just leave it at that.

Dan, I don't want everyone listening because I think I'm a complete Linotype. So let me just clarify the question and I'll let you guys go. Sorry, Roy, for this. I guess the way I think about it is you can borrow at a very, very low cost to fund your projects, your growth at Carroll and the tremendous free cash flow you have is available for the SID. So I think about it more as leveraging for as a sort of project finance as opposed to at the end of the day cash is coming in, so I get it. But thank you so much guys for the answers and We don't think you're alluding to TikTok.

And the next question will come from Patrick O'Rourke with ATB Capital Markets, Good morning, guys. Congratulations on the dividend increase and very comprehensive rundown so far. I'll just ask a couple of quick questions here. I guess, you talked about sort of the final steps with getting the renewable diesel facility on. There's a little bit of noise in the renewable and the LCFS market here with I think there's an anti dumping lawsuit that's been launched.

Can you maybe walk us through some of the puts and takes around that market? You've talked about sort of transportation advantage offtake for Imperial here out of the facility and how you're viewing the market and the risks right now?

Yes.

Thanks, Thanks for the question, Patrick. And I've talked about this a little bit in the past. You know, There are certainly other examples of renewable diesel projects on both sides of the border that are struggling. Our project is very unique and very different.

And should not be characterized the same as these other challenged projects. We have multiple attributes that are quite favorable to our economic proposition, starting with the fact that we are building this renewable diesel facility within our existing Strathcona facility, which gives us tremendous economies of scale, unique aspects to utilities, to rail facilities, all those sorts of things that allow it to be more efficient a standalone facility somewhere else. So that's a big plus for us. Secondly, building it to process agricultural crops and oils from them that are readily available in close proximity. And so the transportation cost for those oils is quite affordable, quite efficient. We're also leveraging proprietary catalyst from ExxonMobil [indiscernible] will allow us to produce a premium product relative to its utility over a wide range of operating conditions, especially cold weather, And so that allows it to be a 100% drop in fuel for regular diesel does not have to be blended as much. It can be, but doesn't have to be It also can be used year round versus just seasonally. So all those things are advantaged on top of that what also underpins the economics is we already have in our product offering, a base level demand for renewable fuels to blend And so today, we purchase those on the market.

In the future, we'll now be producing them ourselves and more cost efficiently than buying from somebody else. So that enhances the economics. Certainly, a lot of questions about what's the future of the carbon market. I would just offer there. [indiscernible] We plan to sell this product into multiple provincial markets which many of them have their own stated carbon policies and and requirements for low carbon fuel. So So when I put all that together, we continue to believe we have a differentiated offering here. Relative to others. So I hope that helps. Clarify that. [indiscernible] terrific and very comprehensive. And then just sort of secondly, and this sort of on the political front here, but with sort of a prorogation in parliament and potentially a bit of shift in sentiment towards carbon here both from both sides of the political spectrum. I'm wondering if you can provide an update on the pathways project here. I know that there were some of the sort of critical long lead time items that need to be ordered in very short order. And sort of what the plan is with respect to that as we head towards end of the year.

Yes. Patrick, that's that's a great question. And an important opportunity for me to reemphasize that the 6 companies that have formed together the Pathways Alliance and have been working together for multiple years, continue to see the importance and the value of decarbonizing our industry. And that's what brought us together And irrespective of political parties, we believe that support. We in Canada I think are blessed with a tremendous endowment of resources 3rd largest oil reserves in the world, And that puts us in a tremendous position to support energy availability globally. But to be competitive and sustainable long term, Our view is we need to be cost competitive and we need to be carbon competitive. And so to be carbon competitive, over the long term, we need to continue to look to decarbonize. So our discussions with the governments, federal and provincial, continue. As we look to establish all the necessary fiscal support and regulatory policy support so that we can progress at investment. Still have work to do there. We're not at the point yet of committing to the pipe which is kind of the first critical step And as you point out, there is some urgency around that.

Based on our original objective of a 2,030 startup. And this time goes on, it becomes increasingly difficult to meet that startup timing. But we continue to work [indiscernible] we continue the engineering work, we continue the permitting work, we continue the environmental studies, we continue the indigenous collaboration. All with an objective of moving this project forward as timely as we can. Because we think it's important So more to come. Hopefully, we'll get further clarity from the governments on on these open items and we can move forward.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And that does conclude the question and answer session. I'll now hand it back over to Peter Shaw for any additional closing remarks.

Well, thank you everybody. And on behalf of the management team, we want to thank you for joining our call today. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to anybody on the IR team. We'd be happy to answer your questions.

And with that, thank you very much and have a great day and great weekend.

Thank you. And that does conclude today's conference. We do thank you for your participation. And have an excellent day.