KLX Energy Services Holdings, Inc. Price & Performance (KLXE)

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for the KLX Energy Services conference call and webcast to review fourth quarter and full year 2024 results. With me today are Chris Baker, KLX Energy's President and Chief Executive Officer Kiefer Layner, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Following my remarks, management will provide a high level commentary on 2024 results its 2025 outlook before opening the call for your questions. There will be a replay of today's call that will be available by webcast on the at klx.com. And there will also be a telephonic recorded replay available until March 27, 2025. More information on how to access these replay features was included in yesterday's earnings release. Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today 03/13/2025, and therefore, you're advised that time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading. Also comments on this call will contain forward looking statements within the meaning of The United States Federal Securities Laws. These forward looking statements reflect the current views of KLX management However, various risks and uncertainties and contingencies could cause actual performance or achievements to differ materially from those [indiscernible] in the statements made by management.

The listener or reader is encouraged to read the annual report on Form 10 ks quarterly reports on Form 10 Q and current reports on Form eight ks to understand certain of those risks, uncertainties and contingencies. [indiscernible] Comments today will also include certain non GAAP financial measures. Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the quarterly press release, which can be found on the KLX Energy website. And with that behind me now, I'll turn the call over to Chris Baker. Chris? Thank you, Ken, and good morning, everyone.

Thanks for joining our fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty four conference call. I will start with commentary on the successful refinancing of our twenty twenty five note and ABL, our Q4 results and then touch on our full year 2024 achievements. And finally provide color on market trends and our outlook for 2025. First, I'm very pleased to announce that we have finalized our refinancing efforts. This was a significant undertaking and I want to thank our finance team for their dedication in bringing this to a successful close in a difficult market following persistent rig count declines. A great team effort that positions us to continue to execute on our strategy going forward. We finished the year strong despite typical seasonal headwinds and fourth quarter budget exhaustion. We reported Q4 revenue of 166,000,000 the midpoint of our guidance and margins that were above our prior guidance. Our continued focus on cost controls combined with mix shifts in PSL contributions and are waiting to completion production and intervention business lines enabled us to significantly increase our twenty twenty four fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA margin compared to last year's fourth quarter. Despite revenue and rig count being down 155%, respectively, over the same period.

These results highlight the strength of our franchise and the fact that 50% of our revenue occurs post the frac job. Thereby sustaining activity later into the fourth quarter. We achieved this significant margin improvement due to the cost cutting efforts in early twenty twenty four to further streamline our overhead cost structure. Our Q4 results underscore the strategic advantage of our diversified model in a volatile industry landscape. Unlike less diversified peers, we have demonstrated resilience and consistent outperformance validating the effectiveness of our strategic choices and operational execution across varied market conditions. Geographically, for the fourth quarter, the Southwest represented 37% of revenue compared to 36% in Q3. The Northeast Mid Con represented 30% of revenue compared to 28% in Q3. And the Rockies represented 33% of revenue compared to 36% in Q3. The Southwest and Rockies demonstrated particular strength with the Southwest benefiting from robust completion and production activity. Particularly in rentals and tech services, and our completions operation drove significant contributions in the Rockies. For the full year 2024, the Southwest represented 38% of revenue compared to 34% in 2023. The Northeast Mid Con represented 30% of revenue compared to 35% in 2023, and the Rockies represented 32% of revenue compared to 31% in 2023.

On an end market basis, drilling, completion, and production and intervention services contributed approximately 225226% respectively to revenues for the fourth quarter twenty twenty four with a similar revenue breakdown for the full year 2024. Let's take a look at full year accomplishments. The team really came together to deliver some impressive results. First, I want to commend our entire team for their commitment to safety, and operational excellence. In 2024, we achieved a TRIR and LTIR of zero point six three and zero point two two respectively. Which places us well below industry averages. Additionally, we achieved a total vehicle incident rate of 0.58 supported by real time AI driven fleet management software platform across our entire fleet of heavy and light duty units. Safety remains a top priority and we continue to invest in programs and technologies that protect our workforce and assets. We are very proud of our robust safety culture, which is a testament to the dedication of every member of our team. KLX's strong safety performance not only protects its most valuable asset, our people, but also contributes to operational excellence and financial performance which is required by blue chip customers. Second, we reported full year revenue of $7.00 $9,000,000 which was driven by a leading customer base anchored by the largest most active operators in the sector.

We expanded our market share with key customers and based on recent wins, we expect this trend will continue in 2025. Full year adjusted EBITDA was $90,000,000 with adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 13%. And we are focused on further adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion for 2025. We continue to make strides and capture market share with our upgraded suite of proprietary tools, and products and latest generation equipment. Most recently, we have launched a Gen two of our Oracle SRT and now have approximately 250,000 running feet under our belt. This latest generation is expected to provide hot hole capabilities and we believe this launch is timely given the expected activity growth in gas directed basins. Our 2024 full year performance reflects our continued success in capturing market share through a relentless focus on operational excellence and differentiated assets and technologies. KLX continues to take market share across our core PSLs with outsized strength across our rentals and tech services offerings that include some of our highest spec highest returning POs. Operationally, KLX maintained positive momentum with our downhole technology and differentiated rental fleet. Complemented by our market leading completions performance. These capabilities coupled with our operational expertise and broad geographic footprint solidify our competitive position with key customers across major bases.

I'll now turn the call over to Kiefer, to review our financial results in greater detail and I'll return later in the call to discuss our outlook and optimism for 2025. Kiefer?

Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. As Chris mentioned, we reported Q4 revenue of $166,000,000 representing a 12% sequential decrease a 15% decrease over the prior year fourth quarter. Our consolidated Q4 adjusted EBITDA was $22,700,000 down 18% sequentially but on par with Q4 in 2023 We an adjusted EBITDA margin of 13.7% and which compared to 14.7% in Q3 and 11.8% in the fourth quarter last year. Total SG and A expense for Q4 twenty twenty four was $17,600,000 down 17% sequentially from $21,200,000 in Q3 twenty twenty four and down 11% from $19,800,000 in Q4 twenty twenty three. For the full year 2024, SG and A expense totaled $79,600,000 a decrease of 8% from $86,700,000 in 2023. [indiscernible] Adjusted SG and A expense excluding non recurring items, was $70,200,000 in 2024, [indiscernible] a 10% decline versus the comparable metric for 2023.

The cost structure changes related to insurance, IT and third party professional fees continued to benefit us. Driving these year over year savings and we expect this lower SG and A level to continue into 2025. [indiscernible] Moving to our segment results. For the Rocky Mountain segment, revenue, operating income, adjusted EBITDA were $54,000,000 $4,700,000 and $11,800,000 respectively for the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. [indiscernible] This represents an approximate 20% sequential decrease in revenue from the third quarter of twenty twenty four largely due to winter holiday seasonality which affected all of our regional completion and intervention offerings including coil tubing, frac rentals and wireline services. [indiscernible] Our Rockies business is the most seasonally sensitive typically in Q4 and Q1, when compared to our other geographic areas of operation. Operating income and adjusted EBITDA decreased sequentially by [indiscernible] as a function of the seasonal decrease in activity which similar to twenty three-twenty four is expected to correct as we exit the first quarter of twenty twenty five. [indiscernible] In the Southwest segment, revenue, operating income and adjusted EBITDA were $61,400,000 $1,100,000 and $9,600,000 respectively for the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. [indiscernible] This represents an 11% sequential decrease in revenue largely due to annual seasonality tied to budget exhaustion winter holiday breaks, which affected all of our PSLs in the region.

Including our directional drilling and flowback services. Relative to Q3, segment operating and adjusted EBITDA increased by 10%. Due largely to a favorable shift in our revenue mix towards higher margin offerings and a reduction in overhead costs. Including headcount and vehicle fleet. For the Northeast Mid Con segment, revenue, operating income and adjusted EBITDA for $50,100,000 $300,000 $9,800,000 respectively for the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. This represents a 4.4% sequential decrease in revenue driven largely by decreased completion activity due to budget exhaustion and winter holiday breaks. [indiscernible] Sequentially, segment operating income decreased by 85% and adjusted EBITDA decreased by 10% largely due to lower completions activity including pressure pumping, partially offset by modest increases across other PSLs.

At corporate, our operating loss and adjusted EBITDA loss for Q4 were $11,100,000 and $8,500,000 respectively. And remained in line with prior quarters. Going forward, we expect similar levels of quarterly corporate costs. Turning to our balance sheet, cash flow and capitalization. [indiscernible] We ended the quarter with a liquidity position $112,000,000 consisting of a cash balance of approximately $92,000,000 and approximately $20,000,000 of availability not borrowed on our December 2024 asset based revolving credit facility borrowing base certificate for our prior facility.

As Chris mentioned, we are pleased to have successfully completed our refinancing efforts. Specifically regarding the refinancing, we have accomplished several key objectives. First, we extended maturities to 2,030 on the new notes and to $20.28 on the new ABL. Second, the new $232,000,000 note issuance further reduces our notes outstanding by approximately 2% compared to the outstanding balance as of Q3 twenty twenty four, which signaling our commitment to continued deleveraging. Further, the pre wired amortization and ECS within the new bond enable us to continue to deleverage over time at par.

The new bond also allows KLX the ability to elect to pick interest if needed the company's election. We also entered into a new $160,000,000 ABL facility inclusive a $125,000,000 base ABL a $25,000,000 accordion optioned at the company's discretion, and a $10,000,000 FILO. The new facility provides additional liquidity and structural structural flexibility as compared to our prior ABL. Finally, this refinancing with supportive partners and lenders positions KLX to continue to execute on accretive deleveraging M and A. 2024 also marked significant improvements in our working capital management as we streamlined billing and collections processes. Ended the year with net working capital of $26,000,000 a 46% decrease from year end 2023 driven by lower revenue and shifts in our day sales outstanding. At year end 2024, our DSO reached a historic low. This was a substantial sequential improvement from the third quarter and from year end 2023, but unfortunately, we do not expect to be able to maintain this level consistently going forward and would note that similar to prior years, Q1 is typically our most working capital intensive quarter. Turning to CapEx. [indiscernible] Q4 capital expenditures were $15,300,000 a decrease of 27% from Q3 mainly due to a normalization [indiscernible] but inclusive of an opportunistic $3,000,000 non recurring spend, so normalized Q4 CapEx was approximately $12,300,000 Capital spending during the fourth quarter was driven primarily by frac rentals, pressure pumping and coiled tubing assets.

Net CapEx defined as CapEx less asset sales was approximately $10,500,000 for the quarter, And if you back out the non recurring $3,000,000 of CapEx, was $7,500,000 for the quarter. Net CapEx for full year 2024 was approximately $51,000,000 or $48,000,000 when adjusted for the Q4 non recurring spend.

Our capital allocation strategy remains focused on supporting our highest spec highest return differentiated product service lines through prudent and disciplined spending. This approach allows us to maintain and enhance our existing asset base ensuring we can meet the demands of our customers' most challenging projects. In 2024, we invested strategically in our core competencies particularly in our rental fleet and coiled tubing operations, which have demonstrated strong performance and healthy market demand. These investments are targeted to drive operational efficiencies expand our service capabilities and ultimately enhance our competitive position within key markets. Looking ahead to 2025, we anticipate our capital expenditures to be in the range of $45,000,000 to $55,000,000 with net CapEx to be in the range of $35,000,000 to $45,000,000 As always, we actively monitor future CapEx light of current market conditions and can modify our spending as needed. The forecasted level of investment underscores our commitment to maintaining the quality, reliability of our equipment, while also allowing for selective growth opportunities ensuring we are prudent stewards of capital.

Along with our recent refinancing, our disciplined approach to capital allocation also supports our ongoing efforts to strengthen our balance sheet and create long term shareholder value. KLX remains committed to generating free cash flow, reducing our leverage profile and maintaining financial flexibility to capitalize on future growth opportunities including inorganic consolidation. [indiscernible] I'll now hand the call back to Chris for his concluding remarks and outlook.

Thanks, Kiefer. As we look ahead to 2025, I want to provide some color on what we're seeing in the market and our expectations for the year. For full year 2025, we expect revenue to be flat to slightly up but more importantly, we anticipate that we will expand adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin and based on known customer wins, mix shift and cost structure controls we expect our 2025 adjusted EBITDA margin to range between 13% to 15%. [indiscernible] Looking at the 2025 quarterly cadence, similar to 2024, we expect some softness in Q1 relative to Q4 due to a few transitory issues including significant weather impacts across our areas of operation and unexpected white space in our completions calendar that we are striving to backfill. And the fact that we expect a shift in revenue mix from Q4 to Q1 due to our core completion offerings largely following the completion of the frac job. With that said, we continue to expect a strong 2025 and expect results to strengthen in late Q1 and into Q2 and that that strength to continue into the back half of 2025. From a macro perspective, we are closely monitoring the potential for increased gas directed completion activity driven by LNG export demand.

Our exposure in the Haynesville approximately 7% of 2024 revenue, and 9% of 2023 revenue and other gas prone regions such as the Northeast and South Texas positions us well to benefit from this trend. We believe that the amount of incremental completion capacity needed just in the Haynesville to meet demand for LNG export capacity will drive a significant shift in market dynamics. U. S. LNG export capacity is a expected to approximately double by 02/1930. We with significant capacity coming online in the next twelve to twenty four months. We believe this increase will drive incremental natural gas directed activity that will ultimately lift and support service pricing and utilization across all basins.

For perspective, our best quarterly revenue in the Haynesville and the Marcellus Utica combined occurred in Q1 of twenty twenty three and yielded a $150,000,000 annualized revenue run rate based on 119 average operated rigs For comparison, our Q4 twenty twenty four annualized revenue in the same basins on 65 average operated rigs. This highlights our upside leverage to this emerging trend and we are confident that the market will see incremental gas directed activity. In 2025. Finally, we continue to actively pursue accretive deleveraging M and A opportunities that would further enhance our market position and create value for our shareholders. Targeted acquisitions will align with our growth strategy and financial objectives. The debt documents from our recent refinancing are pre wired with a sizable Perry Pursuit debt basket to help facilitate potential acquisitions. We believe this approach of combining strategic M and A with significant equity consideration and a focus on deleveraging positions us well to capitalize on market opportunities while maintaining strong financial foundation. In summary, we are optimistic about 2025 and believe KLX is well positioned to capitalize on potential opportunities ahead. As we've said in the past, the general takeaway is that larger customers would prefer to see fewer service providers rather than more.

For a whole host of reasons such as number of invoices, the ability to bundle services and solutions. [indiscernible] As such, KLX is exceptionally well positioned to serve this customer base and expand our share of wallet. With that, we'll now take your questions. Operator?

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Steve Farazani with Sidoti. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, Chris. Good morning, Keith. I appreciate all the detail on the call. I know you guys have been very, very busy. So appreciate the time this morning. Can you walk through a little bit and you did cover this but significant margin improvement across all three regions. Year over year despite the the decline in in drilling and completions activity. And it looks like in each region, that the driver was maybe a little bit different. Can you walk through how you got beyond the cost cuts, how you got that margin improve through the three regions on lower revenue? [indiscernible] question. Busy may be a bit of an understatement of late, but appreciate the thought. Yes, I think look to your point KLX performed exceptionally well in Q4 and fourth quarter EBITDA margin year over year despite continuing declines kind of a grind lower throughout the year in rig count. We had guided to 12% the midpoint of the range revenue roll to your point that's different across the different basins. That happens to be almost exactly the same as the 2023 revenue roll. I think we spoke about it last quarter. That was despite Christmas and other New Year's holidays, etcetera, being in the middle of the week, which as we know drives operators to be more prone to extend the days off.

Look, at the end of the day, I think [indiscernible] there's mix shifts between the segments without a doubt. But what we saw this year was really and I talked about it in our prepared remarks, but 50% of our revenue really occurs post the frac job. So we always talk about our blend of drilling completion production intervention revenue. But when you think about most of our high margin product lines like through tubing, rentals, flowback, coiled tubing, most of that occurs post the frac job.

And we were able to sustain activity later into the fourth quarter despite numerous operators taking frac holidays in December. And so it really comes down to that product line mix and completion production intervention services.

I think to your point on the cost controls, I don't you said except for the cost controls, but revenue per operated rig, which is a stat we've talked about before, fell to approximately $290,000 per rig. Almost exactly the same level as Q1 of last year yet EBITDA per average operated rig was approximately $40,000 per rig compared to Q1 being approximately 20,000 per rig. And so there's numerous reasons for that, but the cost controls that we implemented in Q1 are clearly a key component. Year end accrual unwinds as well. In the fourth quarter. But the PSL mix shifts that we talked about are definitely a large component. In Q4, we saw a higher relative contribution from the higher margin product lines, including rentals, frac rentals, tech services and coiled tubing, which candidly have all been areas of focus from a capital deployment standpoint.

Okay.

Good. That's helpful. And also your guidance implies I mean your guidance was for even further margin in improvement in 2025 even though you're guiding for relatively flat revenue, given that the cost controls were put in place Q1 of twenty twenty four, what can drive further margin improvement on flat to slightly up revenue in 2025?

Yes, it's a great question. I think sort of what we talked about, right, margin increased in Q4 of 'twenty four compared to Q4 of 'twenty three. So you're getting kind of the full year benefit of those cost controls. But from a guidance standpoint, markets are very dynamic right now. Commodity prices are highly volatile as we know. As I stated in the prior question, part of our '24 capital deployment strategy was really setting us up for 2025. With known customer wins in some of our higher margin PSLs. As well as we also renewed at a slightly elevated pricing structure our one dedicated frac contract. And so what we've seen and we've talked about it before post the wave of customer consolidation those larger customers require higher spec equipment which has garnered we've garnered more of their wallet share is the reality post that capital deployment. We've also seen lower revenue contribution from some of our lower margin product lines and we've shifted our focus as have many of our competitors for instance, in wireline to more of the conventional space rather than the pump down space where it's really a knife fight, right? And so all of that is a bit of a mix.

And then then as we look at the forward strip, the reality is we expect the second half of twenty twenty five assuming commodity prices hold in to be stronger especially in the gas directed basins.

As we sit here today, we know numerous customers bringing rigs into the Haynesville. Talked about it in the prepared remarks, but if you just think about Q1 of 'twenty four, in the same Marcellus, Utica, Haynesville, basins, we generated approximately $108,000,000 of of revenue. On 83 operated rigs. That number was only $81,000,000 in Q4 of twenty twenty four on 65 rigs. So the leverage there is meaningful.

To us.

And I'd remind you that we have a very focused effort in those gas basins. We don't run every PSL there. And the PSLs we do run are pretty attractive margins. So it's it's a macro theme around mix shift Okay.

The guide for net CapEx meaningfully lower You generated a little bit of cash flow this year. I mean, that was including what was a very challenge as you noted Q1 of twenty twenty four. Based on your guidance and that lower CapEx, how are you thinking about cash flow for $25,000,000 and uses of cash?

Yes. So I'll hit CapEx. Keifer can kind of talk through puts and takes of working capital if needed. But from a CapEx standpoint, last year Q3 was very robust. Some of that was catch up from the prior year as we've talked about. Some of it was pulling some CapEx forward. And then in Q4, there was a Kiefer alluded to it on the call, there was a kind of opportunistic acquisition of some assets for about $3,000,000 that really helped us kind of forward stage some of our CapEx for this year. We've consistently been able to so let me back up. So that brings us to maintenance capital being in the $45,000,000 to $55,000,000 range, which is the number referenced on the call. We've consistently been able to monetize, as you know, whether it's through idle, antiquated assets, real property, are just lost in hole in DVR tools that we charge back to the clients somewhere in order of $10,000,000 $12,000,000 of assets over the last couple of years, we think that's sustainable this year. With what we know about a couple of properties and other things that we think will monetize. As well as kind of the customer buildbacks.

Does that complete your question?

No. I was asking about how that how the lower CapEx and higher margins converts to to cash flow or thoughts on cash flow in 2025 and uses of cash?

Yes. Good question, Steve. This is Keefer. Good morning.

As you think about other kind of puts and takes, certainly we're happy to announce the refinancing and have that closed earlier this week.

From a just a straight coupon perspective, interest expense is probably slightly up year over year from $24,000,000 to $25,000,000 based on the new refinancing. With that said, we do have some pre wired amortization into the notes And so there's probably some puts and takes there. But as you think through the bridge, with reduced CapEx, there's likely slightly elevated interest expense versus prior year.

Additionally, as we think about uses of free cash flow, the new bond does have the concept of an excess free cash flow sweep. And so as the company generates free cash flow, by and large, based on current leverage profile $0.75 of every dollar would actually go towards deleveraging and we would be able to do that at par.

So as you think about uses of free cash going forward, we are laser focused on one, free cash flow generation and two, largely focusing on continuing to delever.

Fantastic. Thanks for that. Last one for me, just how Q1 sets up this year versus last year? We know completion activity had a slow start again this year, but you ran into some non some outside driven factors that impacted you in Q1 last year. You had the customer safety stand down and you had some severe weather.

So give and take on this Q1 versus last Q1, This Q1 should be better if we don't have a recurrence of some of those issues, correct? But only a couple of weeks left to Q1.

Yes. I think, look, we guided to Q1 based [indiscernible] your point, some of the completions activity started off a little slow this year with certain customers standing back up frac spreads and back to my earlier point, a lot, coiled tubing drill outs, flow back, etcetera, all happen on the backside of the frac, right? So definitely seeing some softness there. Along with we did have probably eight weather days this year, which is part of the seasonality impact. So we would expect it to be soft. But to your question specifically, yes, we would also expect it to be we'd expect it to be soft relative to Q4. But we would expect it to be above Q1 of last year. We have had some white space that was in our completions calendar that we're dealing with and trying to backfill real time. But we'll see how all the puts and takes shake out.

Just last one for me on just how you're set up for and you covered it with the significant increase in LNG export capacity that's [indiscernible] [indiscernible] price forecast this week. You're not putting a lot of guide you're right, your guidance doesn't imply a ton of uptick in the gas basins, but it potentially sets you up for a much stronger 2026 depending how at least some people think this plays out with higher gas prices fair.

Well, we haven't given '26 guidance. Yet.

I'm just trying to set the stage, right? Because what I'm saying is your 2025 implies some improvement, but not a lot given a lot of what we think is coming, how you think that sets you up for two, three years? Without specific guides?

Yes. And so what I would say is, the the forward gas curve is highly constructive. And as we've talked about before, that forward gas curve, everybody has laser focus on the Haynesville. And rightly so and in the Northeast. The reality is we would expect the incremental gas price to also assist with South Texas and Mid Con operations, right? And as you know, all of our assets have wheels can travel if the Haynesville goes back to its heyday. We're not predicting that by any stretch. And I think there's a lot of debate in the market as to the incremental rigs required in the Haynesville to keep those LNG facilities full. And I've heard some numbers that get us pretty excited. We've seen some of those published and we've heard some numbers that I think are overly conservative. As I look at our internal customer conversations today, what we know about incremental rig count through June is kind of in the high teens. And not going to speak to specific customer plans and activity, but that's kind of what we see forthcoming. For the first half this year. And to your point, the commodity slate is only more robust when it comes to gas for the second half of next year and going into 26.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Daniel with Daniel Energy Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Hey guys. Thanks for having me.

Chris, a two part question.

As you pursue M and A, are you focused more on consolidating deals or just potentially adding new services? That's part one. And then the second part is how is the E and P consolidation I mean, I know it's influencing your M and A strategy, but just elaborate on how that might be influencing your strategy and what deals you would pursue?

Yes. No, great question. I think we've touched on the the M and A strategy before as far as stepping out. That's really not our focus. I think our focus is to execute on accretive deleveraging transactions that provide scale in our existing product lines. As you know, we're pretty diverse service provider as we sit today. For us to step outside of a product line that we don't have today, it would have to be highly synergistic and provide pull through to one of our existing PSLs, right? And so candidly, John, we looked a couple opportunities last year that I guess I'm willing to discuss in hindsight. We walked away from one due to perceived integration risk. On another, the counterparty continued push value in the face of a declining market. We didn't think that made sense. And then we rolled into December of last year and we saw a number of what I would deem very strategic opportunities that have high degrees of industrial logic that are kind of market leading companies that we candidly need to execute on our refi first. I think those opportunities still exist today. And I think our refi and our debt documents provide ample flexibility to consummate those types of transactions.

Okay. Got it. And we've talked a little bit about the Haynesville on the call. I just got back from Haynesville yesterday. And met with a number of businesses up there where they claim to be essentially sold out or see strong calendars as you go into the summer, which is great. And a bunch of them are now adding people. Because they need more people to meet the demand. So like you hear all that and it gets you excited. The next logical step would be you need to start raising your prices I'm just curious if you could sort of pontificate on the sequence of that, if you will, because all the things are aligning, right? And I'm just your thoughts on how that might play out.

Yes.

Look, the callous answer is the people side of the equation has not been as onerous as it was say in 2021 as you well know right or 2022 more specifically. And the reality is a lot of assets and a lot of people migrated to the Mid Con South Texas and the Permian when the Haynesville rolled COVID level rig count lows were 29 rigs that's where we've been the last couple of months in Haynesville. I would imagine and I think and I think I'm pretty confident here, is a lot of people working in the Permian that would love to get back to East Texas Texas and Shreveport and Bossier and work from home is the reality of it. For us, our business lines that are in the Haynesville probably over half of our revenue is not vet people intensive. So it's probably easier for us to lag in. And to your point, when people talk about being sold out, well, is that asset utilization or is it people My sense is by and large it's people [indiscernible] are the remnants of the asset bases they have left because a lot of our competitors pulled assets to go compete in other basins.

So that's where the rising [indiscernible] all boats from a pricing perspective. If the Haynesville really rallies hard and people start to chase returns in the Haynesville, it should at some level buoy pricing as well or at least sustain it in some of the other adjacent basins. Fair enough. Last one is, and Keeper, if you said this in your prepared remarks, I missed it, I apologize. But can you tell us what the pro form a cash and debt balance is? After the deal?

So pro form a debt is the the new notes are $2.32 The ABL is 55.

The new ABL size is a 125 deal. With a $25,000,000 accordion. And a $10,000,000 FILO, both are executable at the company's discretion. Within twelve months and eighteen months respectively post closing. And in terms of uses of cash to close the refinancing roughly $28,000,000 was used to close the refi.

That's inclusive of the debt pay down, I. E. A smaller issuance size, all fees, advisors, legal issuance, otherwise the OID on the new notes as well as the accrued interest that was due on the prior notes.

So ballpark, doing the math in my head, which is danger for an old person, dollars 65 ish million plus or minus 5,000,000 of cash. Yes. We haven't updated an interim cash number since we're interim month. Okay, fair enough. All right, I'll just start track. Thanks guys.

Appreciate it, John. Thank you.

This now concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Baker for closing comments.

Thank you once again for joining us on this call and for your continued interest in KLX. We look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference.