Marathon Digital Holdings, Inc. Price & Performance (MARA)

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Thanks everyone for joining us this afternoon. I'm very proud to report record high revenues, net income and adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter and full year 2024. In addition, our direct energy costs for Bitcoin for 2024 was $28,000 from our own sites. Our shareholder letter this quarter walks through from Asset Light into a vertically integrated energy and technology solutions provider, a transformation that we are accelerating in 2025. We secured 300% more energy capacity expanding our total portfolio from approximately 0.5 gigawatts to 1.7 gigawatts and deployed our first owned power generating assets reducing our reliance on grid power and lowering our cost to mine. By owning energy assets, we lower our single biggest input cost, [indiscernible] Where the average grid connected miner may be paying $40 a megawatt at sites where we use owned energy assets our energy costs could be as low as $10 a megawatt or even less in some cases. This is what allows us to extend the life of our single largest CapEx item [indiscernible] By potentially doubling the useful life of miners our need for maintenance CapEx is reduced, which we believe will make us more capital efficient and less dependent on replacing our fleets at these sites every three to four years like our peers.

This also means we potentially would be able to mine at times when others will have to curtail because the marginal cost to mine is too high, allowing us to benefit from likely reduction in global hash rate while some others cannot. The other area we're very focused on in regards to energy transformation is developing solutions that help us and the customers of our solutions optimize how power is consumed, stored and distributed.

This allows us to activate new services for data centers, AI operators, and energy markets. We can co locate with them balance their load, and generate revenue to offset costs in ways that grid reliant miners simply cannot. We're proud of our transformation, but we're far from done. While we remain bullish on Bitcoin and our mining business, we're continuing to explore how Mark can emerge as a leader in the next major opportunity. Artificial intelligence. With a focus on inference AI where we intend to deploy an initial set of pilots totaling 30 megawatts of inference AI compute using our TPIC liquid cooling technology this year. At our own sites as well as our partner and a customer site.

We'll discuss our AI plans in more detail next quarter. And you can read more about it in our shareholder letter. In conjunction with our emerging technology business, we're taking steps today including investing in research and development to establish our presence in AI and adjacent markets. Which we expect will create additional revenue opportunities over the long term. We expect our cost to decline as we realize savings and generating our own power. And we will be laser focused on efficiency, the we drive towards our goal of near zero cost of energy. I'd like to thank our employees for their hard work.

Our shareholders for their support.

And with that, I'll turn it over to Salman for some highlights from the quarter. [indiscernible] Thank you, Fred.

As Fred mentioned, we reported record results for the fourth quarter and full year. You can see the details in our letter but I wanted to highlight a few key metrics. In 2024, we strategically transitioned into a vertically integrated energy and digital infrastructure company by acquiring five data centers which we own. Increasing our percentage of owned capacity to approximately 70%. This is a critical step forward achieving greater operational control and efficiency as Fred mentioned. Financial details will be available in our Form 10 ks to be filed timely with the SEC upon completion of the audit process.

Now let me provide financial highlights for the quarter. Revenue increased 37% to $214,400,000 in Q4 of twenty twenty four, from $156,800,000 in Q4 of twenty twenty three. For 2024, revenues grew 69% to $656,400,000 from $387,500,000 in 2023. Net income on the other hand increased 248% to $528,300,000 or $1.24 per diluted share in Q4 twenty twenty four from net income of $151,800,000 or $0.66 per diluted share. Net income includes income on fair value of digital assets. Full year net income grew 107% to $541,000,000 compared to net income of $261,200,000.0 in the prior year period. On the other hand, adjusted EBITDA increased to $794,400,000 in Q4 of twenty twenty four. As a reminder, this is a new benchmark for the industry That increase from last year's or Q4 of twenty twenty three's $259,000,000 Full year adjusted EBITDA was $1,200,000,000 compared to adjusted EBITDA of $417,100,000.0 in the prior year period. Finally, our direct energy cost per Bitcoin, as Fred mentioned, was $28,801 And cost per kilowatt hour was $0.039 for our own sites in 2024. Cost of revenue per petahash per day excluding depreciation continued to improve by 5% this quarter and 17% for the full year.

With that, I'll turn it over to Beth from Candra Fitzgerald to start our management interview. Brett?

Perfect. Thank you for having me here today and excited to have a good dialogue here.

Maybe to start, I know you guys talked a bit about AI and expectations to give us more detail on what your plans are for next year. But a lot of your peers in the space are kind of looking to do a co location model where they're maybe spending CapEx to build the infrastructure and leasing it out to a tenant. Is that something you are interested in or are you just interested in helping, call it, balance the load at those locations?

I think a couple of things. One is, while there is a huge demand from AI hyperscalers, or let's just say hyperscalers and AI HPC vendors because there are some that where AI isn't the primary load. For capacity today. A lot of those sites that they're looking for are 500 megawatts and more. I mean, there's been talk in the press recently about a real focus from the hyperscalers on these larger sites and a number of our peers in the industry have even talked about this in their most recent earnings. We believe that as this build out occurs, essentially space becomes a commodity. And when you're providing power ping and rack space essentially, you really are a commodity. And I think if you go back to the time in the first Internet boom, you had the huge data center build out and then you had an overbuild of capacity And then as the next wave came, the second wave, companies like Digital Realty Develops and others who really became experts at this business.

We think with AI, the trend is slightly different. There's a need for large learning centers, but the capacity in those centers is shifting in that now people are very much more focused on reasoning models and [indiscernible] And this is going to shift the demand for what these sites do. And how they're operated. And I think you'll continue to see in the press more and more people talking about how people are moving away from the need to scale already expensive training runs and moving more towards regioning systems. So we don't want to be chasing a ball that we think is moving very quickly and where investments are going to have to shift. The power needs per rack are hugely increasing with each generation of Blackwell. And this is going to be very hard for a lot of our peers, I think, to keep up.

We believe the real profit in AI is going to come from inference Inference is where you actually make money from AI. Once you have a MARA, you load it into an inference site. And that inference site typically is located in close proximity to a customer. Not miles and miles away in the areas where you have low cost energy.

They need to be near where the customers are because the customers need low latency the customers need rapid response and the customers don't want the data to leave their control off. Often. And so small inference AI sites we believe are the future. And we want to be able to provide a complete solution to customers for Inference AI. At the edge. And that's something we're going to be very focused on as opposed to just trying to scale and build very big sites you're having to deal with customers with leases are going to be putting in their own equipment.

Understood. Very helpful. I feel like 2024, as you guys noted, was a transformational year going from a largely hosted Bitcoin mine to a vertically integrated miner and your prepared remarks, you've outlined that you expect to accelerate that trend in 2025. Should we expect you to go out and acquire as much power 2025 as you did in 2024. And any thoughts on regions or locations of where you would look to do that?

That's a great question. So we've stated previously that essentially have 50% of our capacity coming from international markets by 2028. And we think there's an important [indiscernible] and the international market as regards how energy infrastructure and the energy industry operates. The U. S. Is a highly fragmented market with lots of generators and distribution of energy, IPPs, all sorts of other providers.

And it's a market where it's very fragmented. The international markets are centrally controlled. And if you look at what we did in UAE, which is by far one of our most success collaborating with an energy company. We went from contracts the Sovereign to a fully operational two forty megawatts of capacity across two sites in just under thirteen months.

That is what happens when you can partner with an energy company. And we have begun speaking with energy companies internationally about the opportunity to not be vendors of power to us, but rather to be partners joint ventures.

Where energy price is less of an issue. You can view that as a capital [indiscernible] Or focus on building very large scale opportunities internationally. Together with energy partners where we can help them balance their grids help provide them with curtailable load so that as they begin to add things, like hyperscaler sites and AI, they have the ability to provide curtailment for those sites, allowing those sites to use extra capacity on their grid. You may have seen the Duke University if the load on it was curtailed 5% of the time. And so we believe that in centrally controlled energy markets partnering with the energy provider and be in business with them not being a customer of them is the way those future markets will develop [indiscernible] will continue to focus on acquiring energy assets because we believe being our own generator of energy and getting as near to zero cost as possible is critical to making Bitcoin mining viable for the long term. We have another having opportunity coming in not very long. And another one four years after that. And grid energy is only going to get more expensive. And so miners will have to have extremely low cost energy and be in control of their own energy assets or as I said back in 2021, it might disrupt.

Have to be a partner with the energy company and not accustomed So you'll see us grow internationally using one MARA, you'll see us grow domestically using another. But over time, our sites will be split about fifty-fifty between the two markets.

In terms of owning the energy assets, [indiscernible] how does that compare to maybe just I guess being a vendor instead of owning terms of scalability, like how quickly can you spin up XOHASH if you're going down the energy asset ownership route.

Here's the interesting thing. You look at this wind farm in Texas that we acquired, for example, That's a wind farm that sells energy today. So we can scale into that site and still be generating cash flow from the site. And what we end up doing is optimizing every electron from that site. Wind and solar assets aren't able to sell 100% of their nameplate capacity 100% of the time. It's only during certain peak periods where they really can maximize be [indiscernible] times that they're able to actually sell energy with high MARA. Because as you're familiar, with the duct curve, there's negative pricing due to all the intermittent generation that exists in places like Texas. During certain times of the day. But if we instead can utilize every single electron that comes off at wind MARA, We're able to maximize the profit per electron. And so it allows us to really be almost an energy trader where we're our own customer we can still remain as a vendor to the grid. So we don't have to build a site and fully populate it, we can do it over time.

And the strategy of having very low cost energy, which wind is, there's almost near zero marginal cost. To generate wind energy.

Allows you to more importantly take machines that have been running Grid Connected and extend their lives by now moving them to this very low cost energy site, which may not run full it may run four hours a day, it may run five hours a day.

But because those machines are fully depreciated and your energy cost is significantly lower, than grid attached, you're now able to continue to generate hash rate with the machine that's already depreciated at a much lower cost per ex ash and extend the life. And we believe that lowers maintenance CapEx, which lowers your overall CapEx and makes you more CapEx efficient, which in the long term benefits shareholders because you're not having to spend as much capital to maintain your capacity which means that you don't have to do things like take on necessarily excessive debt, or issue excess amount of equity, to be able to continue to grow and stay competitive.

Brad, I want to point out that his historically, we have we used to be a 0% loan and operated company. Beginning of last year. And we exited the year at 70% owned and operated. You look at our metrics, we are very focused on value creation for our stockholders, which means that return on capital employed is an important [indiscernible] more than 30% on an annualized basis versus our competition, which is single digit. So when you think about acquisitions we've used historically to we've acquired these megawatts and electrons and we've used our MARA playbook by by improving the sites to our standards. Improving the capacity. So for example, at Granbury, Texas, increased our capacity by 200% with hash rate growing by 200% from Q1 to Q4. Addition, we also reduced our cost per petahash per day by 45% on this. So all in all, while our eyes, as Fred mentioned, is towards the future, when you look back, we are very careful of the acquisitions that we do. They are mindful of the use of the capital and also it it actually unlocks more value for our stockholders ultimately.

Maybe just one more question on the power front before moving on. The 25 megawatt partnership with Amgen, how is that progressing? And how should we think about this model scaling past the initial 25 megawatts? At what point would you have enough information to make those decisions?

So the 25 megawatts will be fully operational by the end of Q1 this and progressing as planned. With no hiccups and we think that it's going to be a great success for us. This has taught us that the ability to generate on-site is something very practical actually. And when you look at the challenge at the other end of the data center spectrum the hyperscalers are looking at doing is they're all looking at generating their own electricity. And so there are opportunities for us to scale this. [indiscernible] areas where you have access to natural gas in addition to flared gas. You have gas that's essentially stranded in pockets where you can deploy larger scale generation and take advantage of generating your own energy and mining bitcoin. At the same time, if you build those assets, in places where you have AI optionality, they become even more attractive. And so we believe in the long run owning these types of energy assets are going to be a very valuable asset for the company. As we continue to expand our footprint in Bitcoin mining and at the same time as we begin to enter the world of AI.

Perfect. Maybe switching gears to Bitcoin a bit.

It's been a tough couple of days as there's seems to be a bit of a risk off trade out there. I guess longer term network usage and adoption in the fees are going to be more important. I guess when you look at the Bitcoin ecosystem, what specific projects or use cases are you guys looking or tracking right now that get you the most excited And then just a follow-up to that, Bitcoin has certainly proven to be cyclical. What part of the cycle do you think we're in?

Well, I think Bitcoin has become highly correlated to equities. Growth and the rapid growth of the ETF is certainly proof of that. And if you look at the outflows from the ETFs over the past few days, it clearly shows that it operates very similarly to the equities markets. And so when big equities, the ebbs and flows and out of Bitcoin are going to be the same as the as the stock market. And you have recessionary signals hitting now, you have yield curve inversion again and you have a belief amongst consumers that inflation is running high. Still and that there's risk. If you talk to the average person on the street, things are still expensive out there.

Prices haven't come down.

So I think you're starting to see more and more of a risk off environment and that's an environment where Bitcoin typically sells off. You're also seeing the dollar still very high. And Bitcoin and the dollar tend to move in opposite directions. And you're seeing Gold release. Being a store of value that people are focused on. One of the reasons is you have governments buying so much of that. I think the catalysts now for Bitcoin are really going to be the you have 24 states in The U. S. That have bills on the books to essentially create Bitcoin strategic reserves. If they do 2% of their assets in bitcoin that will have a significant impact on the market and the price of Bitcoin. MARA the federal government follows suit, then that would also have an impact, especially as other countries will continue to do the same So I don't think the long term trend is broken at all. I think we're still very much in the early stages of institutional Bitcoin. What I think is exciting in the Bitcoin ecosystem today outside of Bitcoin as an investment instrument and as an asset, are all the applications that are being built around side chains where you're starting to look at monetizing or rather tokenizing real world assets and you're starting to build use cases for Bitcoin that don't necessarily have to do with payments.

Or investment assets. So I think the exciting stuff is yet to come. When it comes to use cases. There's a lot of stuff certainly being built. I think The world to be fair and is certainly been suffering and it's become more and more of a centralized. Its appearance is that more and more of a centralized [indiscernible] central control. And I think Bitcoin is viewed as the premier and most secure network people want to build on. And tools are being developed and I think we'll see a lot of exciting stuff come even from the traditional TradFi world over the next two years.

Yes, I agree. I think Bitcoin is where all the capital is and having the capital there makes it the most preferred destination to build on. As you look at your Bitcoin holdings, and I know over the last quarter, you guys made a meaningful evolution of your capital market strategy in issuing a couple of converts using this converts by Bitcoin. So maybe if you could just comment on that strategy why you chose to issue the converts to buy Bitcoin maybe rather go out and buy energy generation assets or additional miners or grow your infrastructure. And is that a part of a longer capital MARA strategy that we should think of Is this something you would expect to do on a more frequent basis?

Yes, it's we started buying bitcoin to put on our balance sheet back in early twenty twenty one. And then we paused for a while because we were so busy and focused on growing our [indiscernible] Last year, in the back half of the year, we had a theory Bitcoin price was going to appreciate, especially as the trends for the election outcome started becoming more and more evident. And if an administration that had high degree of acceptance for Bitcoin would come in place, the Bitcoin price would appreciate. And so you have to look at what's the best use of your capital in that moment. Can you get a great return by buying Bitcoin at a lower price now and then being able to leverage it over the longer term to generate yield? Or are you going to invest that in an asset where the first bitcoin that comes from that asset won't be produced for at least twelve or eighteen months? And so we chose to leverage converts as a way to buy Bitcoin. You take an appreciating asset and use that as the basis for those bonds, which is better than using converts necessarily for buying depreciating assets such as minors.

Back in late twenty twenty one, we did a convert we raised $850,000,000 which we invested in mining infrastructure. We learned a lot in doing that process. And we were successful in buying back a fair amount of that at a discount, which created some great value for our shareholders.

But We believe that convert debt is best used for buying appreciating assets and that's certainly what Michael Sailor has done. And been successful with it. And we'll see if it continues to be He continues to I love a Bitcoin and we're more opportunistic with how we view that. So And just to add to that, Brett, this is a capital capital allocation question. And as you can imagine, as a large largest player in this space as a public company, have multiple initiatives and we allocate capital to the best use of that dollar. And it made sense for us to go out and invest in bitcoin. And you look at the history, we've created 60 almost 63% yield on that on a per share basis. Which we're very happy about. Now in terms of our sources of capital, as you can see, we've been diversifying our source of capital. For example, last year, we the year before that, actually, % reliance on ATMs. And last year, we reduced that to under 45%, approximately 43% or so.

And the rest of the capital was sourced towards from the converts and also loan against Bitcoin. And that we expect will give us a return better than sitting that cash sitting on the balance sheet. Or from a treasury management standpoint.

No, certainly, I agree. For this year, I think in twenty twenty four you guys grew your installed hash by 115%. Should we be thinking about hash rate growth this year? I know know hash network has pulled back a little bit over the last couple of weeks, but it also has hit above 1,000 a few weeks ago. Do you envision maintaining that 5.6% share you had in the fourth quarter or improving that as we progress throughout the year? And would you want to give any targets to HASH rates? Four twenty five?

Okay. I think I'm not going to give a hash rate target per se. I think global hash rate is going to grow very dependent on the profitability of mining Bitcoin. One thing we saw recently is essentially Bitmain creating U. S. Publicly traded large scale miners like this company, Kango, who overnight had 32 ex of Hash a capacity because Bitmain essentially [indiscernible] take their older machines and have them take them over. And I think what we're seeing is now especially in China, To use that excess power to mine bitcoin as a way to generate revenues. For those cities due to the condition of the economy. And so I think you're starting to see Chinese miners wanting to raise capital quickly to be able to begin mining in China again. So there are some people who believe that global hash rate will go to somewhere around 1.2 gigahertz. Or 1,200 XAH. By the end of this year. If Bitcoin price remains at its current levels where it is today, don't think we'll see that type of growth. I think we'll see growth actually potentially slow down and maybe even stop on kind of that large scale. So our intention is to continue to grow And we're going to grow in an opportunistic manner We don't believe that it is prudent for us to grow no matter what the cost we think that the right now the marketplace for compute for Bitcoin miners is still very attractive from a price perspective.

But we also have the advantage that this company that we cofounded a few years ago, Aurodyne, had very successfully built and designed mining silicon the three nanometer compete very effectively against some of the best mining hardware in the world. And we have the unique ability amongst our peers currently. To be able to build our own miners to our own form factors. Specific to our own immersion technology, which allows us to create a performance curve on those miners that's highly optimized. And so we are going to depend less and less on the Chinese mining manufacturers because there's also a risk that you have to look at. The Trump administration is moving quite quickly to begin to apply tariffs to Chinese manufactured goods. They recently announced what I would call the reverse CFIUS which is essentially looking at companies in The U. S. With beneficial owners of Chinese nationals. Or Chinese national entities. And if that's the case, and as this potential trade war heats up, A, the cost of these miners may be more difficult to stomach. Especially coming from China. And we've recently seen some issues where some miners were being stopped in customs. And so think it's really important during the Bitcoin mining business today to make sure your supply chains have some alternative sources.

And that's one of the reasons why we're so glad we made investment in Nordics because it gives us the ability to really scale our supply. Quite flexibly. That being said, it's also a question of power and sites. And I think we'll continue to be very opportunistic. And we prefer to grow now at a rate where we're being much more capital efficient as opposed to necessarily just growing to hit a number. We grew very successfully to be the biggest in the industry but we're still not the most efficient in the industry. I believe that capital efficiency almost starts becoming more important scale. And being the biggest And so our focus is starting to shift towards things like operating at places like wind farms and other sites where we can use older generation technology spend less on CapEx have lower operating costs have lower energy costs, and make much more efficient use of our capital because this market is only going to get more competitive over time. It's not going to get more profitable necessarily. And so I think we all need to be focused on being really efficient users of capital really efficient operators. And we all have to move towards getting close to near zero cost energy.

Because we are so dependent otherwise the price of Bitcoin going up and transaction fees going up. And that's a bit of hopium. I'm an optimist around the price of Bitcoin. I think it will continue to go up. But you can't build a business based on that hope. You have to build a business based on being the most efficient operator. And we now have the scale for now beginning to be able to be very efficient at what we do from both the capital and an operating perspective. No, I think that's very well said. On the I guess the energy front, plus maybe geopolitical front, do you think there's something that this administration or even future administrations can do to help make the industry more competitive when it comes to energy costs. Given miners do help balance the load, they are a net benefit to the grid. Do you think there's something that could be done to ultimately help lower the energy costs for miners? I think what you're going to see is You have two challenges in The U. S. One is transmission capacity and the other is permitting. Of additional capacity. I think if you remove the limitations from permitting of additional capacity and you allow Bitcoin miners and AI operators to operate behind the meter freely.

Then what you'll see is the [indiscernible] markets, the private markets and commercial markets go in and do upgrades to the grid in this country, which the public utilities can't do. And I think it's I'm not saying privatized energy, but what I think that you'll see this administration being focused on doing is how do we remove the friction in increasing energy generation transmission and making consumption more efficient. And that's all you need to do to make Bitcoin miners more successful. We have today if you look at global hash rate, Public and traded miners make up roughly 35% of global hash rate. And The U. S. Arguably has about 40% of global hash rate. Within its borders. The U. S. Could have much more if energy generators had an incentive to work with them. And that's a business decision. That's not the government mandate or anything. But if the government would remove the friction from building new capacity from Bitcoin miners acquiring capacity, operating behind the meter, same thing for the operators. I think you would see things take off because what is good for the AI industry in regards to energy is very good for Bitcoin.

Perfect. I think that's a great place to leave it. Rob, maybe back to you for some of the restyle questions. Thanks Brett. Yes, we really appreciate all the questions. Let's turn now to some questions from our retail investors. The first question we got was, Fred, with the increasing competition [indiscernible] What strategy is Mara implementing to sustain profitability and ensure long term growth? And what is the end goal for us? Are we going to be store value company like MicroStrategy or Strategy or continue to mine Bitcoin?

If you think about Mauro, we are an energy transformation company. We're in the business of turning energy into digital value. So we call it digital energy. And if you look across the spectrum of what we're doing, because we're coming more and more vertically integrated from energy all the way to the holding of the actual asset. And maximizing every piece of the value stack, if you would. And maximizing every share of in the process that we can by becoming one of the top operators. Bitcoin mining is a zero sum game. If you're the most efficient operator, lowest cost operator, you will always be able to operate regardless of cost unless there's a major major crisis. But you will always be able to operate. [indiscernible] when you have those types of cash flows, if you're an efficient deployer of capital, you can use your capital wisely. And you can grow and actually build significant shareholder value with less and less dilution over time. And I think the Bitcoin mining business needs to become MARA capital efficient and really the business needs to mature into the scale. That the large miners have received. I think there's going to be a lot of consolidation over the coming years, as most of the small miners just won't be able to operate efficiently.

Where we're really headed is in leveraging the low cost energy that we're in the process of acquiring for uses in the AI world. And to develop technologies that support Inference AI. Our liquid cooling technology one of the best in the world. Especially for inference at the edge. And I think if you were to see some of the solutions using our 2PIC technology for small scale inference at the edge, you'd realize that you now make deploying modular small data centers very easy, where you can put them inside buildings you don't need these massive cores and things like that, and they generate no noise. And so we are becoming more and more a technology company. And more and more of a solutions company. And I believe you'll start seeing us becoming more tightly integrated at both a hardware level, a software level and a services level. And we'll continue to grow [indiscernible] and that technology together and they'll provide a very well balanced business.

Terrific. Our next question Franz Alman that we received is, will there be any potential government partnerships or sponsorships in the near future?

I think what you'll see is in Bitcoin mining specifically, government partnerships will be more of an international Occurrence. Think domestically, it'll be with utilities and the actual power generators. I think what the government really wants to do is essentially try and remove the friction [indiscernible] bitcoin miners and AI developers. And they'll start putting together programs to do that. Across the country, I think, especially as relates to power. Generation. And we're super excited about that. Now, as I mentioned earlier, 24 states in The U. S. Have said they're going to do that they have initiatives on their ballots There's a initiative in the Senate to do the same thing for The U. S. Other countries are starting to look at that. And so then you start looking at do governments want to go into partnerships with large holders of Bitcoin? And do things. That's a totally separate area and I think that's an area that will be explored over the next two years and that's probably Great. And our last question ties into that one. What role does Mara expect to have with the Trump administration and their stated intention to ensure that Bitcoin is made in America?

Are we working directly with administration?

Well, I think all of the large bitcoin miners are working with the administration and some shape, form, or manner. We're very focused obviously in driving support for, porodyne miners made in USA. We're very focused on mining blocks in USA. We stamp every block that MARA makes with Made in USA. And we're trying to really build out block space within The U. S. Because we believe it's of strategic importance to The United States.

Not just having a strategic reserve of Bitcoin, but also having a predominant amount of block such that The U. S. Can project power and defend the Bitcoin blockchain. Regardless of what other nations do. So, we'll collaborate with the government, both at the executive branch and the legislative branch at the federal level, at the state level, to make sure that what's best for the industry gets put forth and executed.

Terrific. Well, that's all the time we have for today. Thanks everyone for joining us. If you have any questions that were not answered during today's call, please feel free to contact our Investor Relations team at MARA dot com. And with that, I'll turn it back to you, operator. Thank you. And with that, we conclude today's conference call. All parties may now disconnect. Have a great day. Thank you.