North American Construction Group Ltd. Price & Performance (NOA)

Thanks, Jenny. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our call today. I'm going to start with our operational performance in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. Before handing it over to Jason for the financial overview and then I'll conclude with the operational priorities, bid pipeline backlog expectations for 2025, and our continued path for increased growth and diversification before taking your questions. On slide three, our Q4 trailing twelve month total recordable rate of 0.39 was a continuation of the improvement seen in Q3 and these full year 2024 results remain below our industry leading target frequency of 0.5. Key safety initiatives in the fourth quarter included implementing inspection and observation programs in Australia, improving heavy equipment operator mentorship programs developing new field level risk assessment tools expanding the Green Hand training program and launching a new safety leadership survey to increase management awareness and provide gap analyses for further areas for continued safety improvement. Rest assured that from the frontline to our boardroom, we are always looking to improve our safety and will relentlessly pursue our principal cultural value get everyone home safe. On slide four, we highlight some of the major operational and financial improvements of 2024.

In 2024, we achieved record annual revenue fueled by strong growth in Australia and in Q4 saw McKellar Group achieve its highest revenue quarter ever. Our major Fargo infrastructure project achieved peak annual revenue of over $150,000,000 and progressed past the 60% completion mark with over 20% being completed in the second half of twenty twenty-twenty four after rain impacted first half. The year ended with record backlog of $3,500,000,000 after major contract wins. Including a four year $500,000,000 regional contract extension in the Canadian oil stands dollars 100,000,000 mining and site development project for a New South Wales copper producer, and a two year $125,000,000 heavy civil construction contract in the Canadian oil sands. As I mentioned in my letter to shareholders, I was particularly pleased to see the win at the New South Wales copper mine as our McKellar team not only increased our geographic and commodity diversity, but also demonstrated we can compete and win unit rate contracts. Which are typical in the markets where we see significant growth opportunity in other resource rich Australian states. Slide five highlights the year one achievements of our McKellar acquisition. Growth, diversification high utilization driving high returns on capital, and providing opportunity to place underperforming assets from Canada are just a few areas where our Australian business has exceeded expectations.

We see this Australian contractor market as second to none and believe we can continue this positive trend for many years to come. On Slide six, our Australian acquisition was a major driver in our 2024 growth and will continue being a primary contributor going forward. But our overall five year growth trend and 20% annual growth rate demonstrate consistent improvements and a business culture always looking to improve. During this timeframe, we won and commenced our Fargo Flood Diversion Project which was the largest infrastructure project in company history commenced and completed our joint venture with Nuna at the Ontario gold mine which was the largest project in Nuna history We acquired DGI in Australia ML Northern in Canada, expanded our in house maintenance capabilities, including about $100,000,000 worth second life rebuilds of our largest assets, and added to our technology with tools such as our equipment telematics and real time machine health and production monitoring. This five year trend demonstrates not only can we replace work as completed, but we can win more than we consume consistently improve profitability. I will talk more about this later with details on our outlook and future expectations. Moving on to slide seven, our Australian equipment fleet, which in Q4 now includes a couple dozen assets shipped from Canada, and about 20 growth assets required for contract wins earlier in the year.

Maintained a consistent monthly utilization over 80% and total Q4 utilization of 82% which keeps us right on track to achieve our target range of 85% in Australia early in 2025. Our Canadian fleet utilization improved to 54% building up the Q3 achievement of 51% and the Q2 low of 42%. The Canadian fleet utilization achieved monthly utilization of 60% during the [indiscernible] and we expect to be back into 60s through our busy Q1 winter season and achieve our target range of 75% by the end of twenty twenty five. Achieving Canadian utilization targets will require continuing to build off our project wins and with the increased revenue in Q4 and expect further increase here in Q1 of twenty twenty five, and we are working diligently to achieve these project wins for the later half of the year. With that, I'll hand it over to Jason for the Q4 financials. Thanks, Joe, and good morning, everyone. Starting with slide nine, headline EBITDA numbers of 104000027.8% margin were driven by both a fifth consecutive successful quarter from Australia since the change of control on 10/01/2023, but also a strong operational quarter in the oil sands. I'll get to it on the next slide, but operations posted combined gross profit margin of 20%, which requires effective operations in both Australia and Canada.

We included a comment here about our oil sands business, which although down from last year's top line revenue, is posting more consistent quarter to quarter results than in the recent past and generated an over 10% increase from the third quarter on continued improved site conditions and steady usage of the equipment. The improved consistency is due to the nature of the contracts in the oil sands which are now focused on more steady time and material and rental arrangements. Moving to Slide 10 and our combined revenue and gross profit and for the first time now has McKellar quarter over quarter in the results. McKellar and DGI, which we combine as Australia in our results were up $31,000,000 on a quarter which was impacted by rains in December, but during which McKellar posted another impressive utilization number at 82%. This top line positive variance was offset by lower revenue quarter over quarter in the oil sands, but as previously mentioned, was importantly up from the third quarter by 13%. Our share of revenue generated in the fourth quarter by joint ventures was down from last year as consistent scopes at the Fargo Moorhead project offset by lower scopes being completed within the 14.6% was significantly impacted by two items, which we have adjusted for in the adjusted EBITDA margins.

First, was a claim that we extinguished as part of our four year regional contract And second was the expensing of certain shipping and logistics costs in the quarter for the equipment that was sent to Australia. Excluding these items, combined gross profit of 19.7%, which reflects the strong underlying operational quarter we had. Margins benefited both from the operations in Australia which were 22% in the quarter and the Canadian operational personnel and fleet posting solid margins of 18% as they benefited from consistent and stable operating conditions. Moving to slide 11, Q4 EBITDA of $104,000,000 beat last year. As mentioned, the 27.8% margin we achieved reflects an effective operating quarter and was almost 3% higher than last year's margin. This margin level is indicative of where we see our business offering at with cumulative EBITDA margin since the McKellar acquisition now at 27% which covers over $1,800,000,000 in revenue and an eventful fifteen month timeframe. Included in EBITDA is general and administrative expenses of $700,000 in the quarter, equivalent to 4.5% of reported revenue which is slightly above the 4% target we set for ourselves. G and A costs in Canada in particular have been lowered in light of lower revenue being generated in the oil sands.

Going from EBITDA to EBIT, we expense depreciation equivalent of 14% of combined revenue, which is consistent with the third quarter and reflects the depreciation rate of our entire business. When looking at just the wholly owned entities, of our heavy equipment in Australia and Canada, the depreciation percentage for the quarter was also 14% of revenue reflects the lower percentage of the Australian fleet as well as the fourth quarter operations in the oil sands, which require high idle time during the cold weather. Adjusted earnings per share for the quarter of one point reflects all the positive factors mentioned with interest and taxes generally consistent with last year. The average cash interest rate for Q3 was 6.7%. Moving to slide 12, I'll briefly summarize our cash flow Net cash provided by operations prior to working capital of $62,000,000 was generated by the business, reflecting EBITDA performance and net of cash interest paid. Free cash flow of $50,000,000 was driven by the strong EBITDA quarter offset by the typically lighter capital spending the fourth quarter. Moving to slide 13, net debt levels ended the quarter at $856,000,000 a decrease of $26,000,000 in the quarter as free cash flow was directed to both growth assets and debt reduction.

Of the $856,000,000 $448,000,000 or roughly half is denominated in Australian dollars and is naturally hedged with the heavy equipment we own in Australia. Net debt and senior secured debt leverage ended at 2.2 times and 1.7 times, respectively, decreased in Q4 on free cash flow. Of note, of course, is that subsequent to year end, we had $73,000,000 of convertible debentures convert into shares which when applied to the December 31 balances result in net debt of $783,000,000 and net debt leverage of two point zero times. With that, I'll pass the call back to Joe.

Thanks, Jason. Looking at slide 15, this slide summarizes our priorities for 2025. In 2025, the company will prioritize enhancing safety systems with a focus on consistency and training for frontline leaders, Key objectives include increasing equipment utilization advancing telematics including a rollout in Australia, and maintaining a strong focus on customer satisfaction to secure contract extensions and expansions. On slide 23 in the supplemental information, you'll see a tech Texas thermal coal mine contract and the Queensland thermal coal mine contract that ended in 2025. Both contracts are being re tendered with the Texas contract award in the second half of the year, and the Queensland contract, which includes both an extension of potential expansions of services being awarded in the first half of the year. We're confident in our ability to retain and expand these contracts because of our incumbency, our positive client relationships and our safe low cost provider status. Additionally, the company plans to diversify geographically in terms of resources beyond Queensland and Alberta. Optimize business processes and reduce costs for the ERP system in Australia, and expand external maintenance component rebuild services for third party customers. On Slide 16, the bid pipeline remains over $10,000,000,000 with continuing and consistent strong demand in Australia and modestly increasing demand in Canadian mining projects.

The oil sands region is expected to see consistent project demand driven by higher projected barrel production, while infrastructure opportunities are also on the rise especially in The United States. As I mentioned in my letter, we see infrastructure work growing to about a quarter of our business over the next several years. And with that strategic focus, we'll be adding some more infrastructure talent experience to our team to bid, win and execute these projected projects. Moving to Slide 17. The company is a record setting contractual backlog $3,500,000,000 with strategic partnerships in the mining resource and civil sectors such as those with the Miccosuke Creek First Nation, Kitikmik Inuit Association, Red River Valley Alliance and ASN Constructors. Despite over $1,100,000,000 of work being executed in twenty twenty twenty four, new additions of 1,700,000,000.0 have further strengthened the backlog and continue to demonstrate not only our ability to win work, but to grow our backlog and continue to diversify both geographically and by commodity. On slide 18, we've provided our outlook for 2025. The 2025 outlook remains aligned with previous expectations driven by existing contracts in Australia and Canada. The per share metrics have been adjusted to the new share count after a recent debt conversion and the growth capital adjusted for deferred growth asset deliveries and project scheduling in Australia.

Key financial metrics for 2025 include combined revenue of 1,400,000,000.0 to 1,600,000,000.0 adjusted EBITDA of $415,000,000 to $445,000,000 adjusted EPS of $3.7 to $4 sustaining capital of CAD 180 to 200,000,000 and free cash flow of 130,000,000 to 150,000,000 and growth capital of 65,000,000 to 75,000,000 with a net debt leverage target of 1.7 down from the 1.8 after the previously mentioned debt conversion and growth spending. Half year and quarterly splits of EBITDA are expected to be weighted slightly towards second half of the year with Q1 contributing slightly less than Q2 and Q3 being the largest quarter as our typical high Q1 in oil sands has less influence on the overall business. Our Australian business having typical high Q1 weather impact and not achieving the full benefits of the growth capital additions until the second half of the year. And our Nuna and infrastructure construction works which achieved difficult peaks in Q3. Our half year and quarterly splits in EPS are expected to follow the same trends with increased weighting towards the second half of over 55% Q1 contributing about 20% with Q3 again the largest quarter.

The difference in the weighting on EPS from EBITDA is due to the front loaded equipment repair costs and increased depreciation in our Canadian business unit from high Q1 equipment demand and increased equipment idling during cold weather. On slide 19, the company's diversification journey continues with Australian operations expected to generate 60% of earnings before interest and tax in 2025. The earnings composition by contract type includes 65% from time and material, 20% from unit rate, 10% from equipment rental and 5% from fixed price contracts. Mining services make up 80% of the revenue, with civil construction contributing 15% and equipment and component sales 5%. Geographically, 60% of the earnings come from Australia, 30% from Canada and 10% from The U. S. The Canadian oil sands region is expected to contribute about 25%. In future quarterly decks, we plan to provide longer term projections and insights into how we expect to continue to grow and diversify our business including our target to grow our infrastructure business to 25% of earnings and our continued commodity geographic diversification in Australia. Lastly, regarding capital allocation, we remain committed to paying down debt and further strengthening our balance sheet. We believe our free cash flow will provide ample opportunity to continue and invest in shareholder friendly ways while still being able to pay down debt and pursue acquisition and expansion opportunities when those returns warrant investment.

In closing, and as I said in my letter to shareholders, we have great expectations for our business in 2025 and going forward, and believe we're in the best position we have ever been to continue to grow and diversify with improving profitability, and with positive free cash flow to drive increased shareholder benefits. With that, I'll open up to any questions you may have.

Thank you. Once you have completed your questions and would like to return to the queue, Your first question is from Yuri Lynk from Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Good morning, guys.

Morning, Jerry.

Just wanna dig in on the the the 2025 outlook in Canada.

You know, utilization still still struggling. So [indiscernible] what you need to win to to hit your numbers, or do you feel you've you've got that in the in the backlog already? And kind of related to that, you know, twelve, eighteen months ago I thought the outlook for non oil sands mining awards in Canada was pretty bright, but we continue to wait for for some success there. Can you just update us on kind of the bid funnel as it pertains to commodities outside of the oil sands?

I think as far as our guidance, Yuri, we expect the utilization to stay similar to what it was last year with a little bit of increased demand in oil sands. Drops off in the second half of the year a bit, To get to our 75%, we would which would put us over guidance, I would say, in Canada, that would mean winning some work outside. Still have active tenders in Ontario in particular. And or you know the worst case scenario we would prioritize it [indiscernible] Additional work in Australia, where we would have shipping, but that wouldn't necessarily affect 2025. And our final resolution, and this is predominantly in smaller equipment, would be to sell them in the if they're underutilized and we can't place them.

What do you I mean, there's obviously been a large step down in your oil sands business. I mean, is it is it deferred work? Is it work on to competitors? Is it in sourced work? Can you just give us some color as to, you know, what's going on in that market?

I can hypothesize, Jerry. It dropped about 30% last year. We're right about the same levels this year as last year. We look at that as the consistent level we'll project going forward. As far as the 30% drop and whether it was in house or deferred, it's very difficult to say. Be a combination of both. You know, it's a very long cycle. These are long life minds. There, you know, there could be deferral for four or five years. We're just going to plan on being where it is. And it's very strong demand on the big truck side. It's still low demand on the civil construction works from the small trucks that we those are the ones that we'd used to look to take out of oil sands and place somewhere else. We just take the demand as it is. And if there's an upside in the future with increased production, the barrel production in oil sands projected to go up significantly year on year.

Then we just see it as an opportunity.

Okay. Last one for me. Just the two adjustments you made out of gross [indiscernible] I guess, the the shipping costs are self explanatory, a bit much higher than I thought it was gonna be. But what happened with the claim?

What's And has that been put to bed?

Yeah, it just negotiated as part of our four year contract extension. So we resolved it with that, and so we dropped the claim and we we negotiated into our our contract.

Okay.

I'll I'll turn it over. Thanks, guys.

You make sure. Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question is from Erin McHale from TD Cowen. Your line is now open.

Hey, morning all. Thanks for taking my question. Good morning, Aaron. Maybe to build on Yuri's question, you know, it looks like you've added a large project in Australia in the active procurement [indiscernible] More generally, things seem to be going pretty well there. Can you give us a bit more detail in terms of how you might mobilize equipment to the extent that you win incremental awards in Australia? And specifically, you're sort of bumping up against that 85% utilization target. Canada utilization remains below target. So is there an appetite for further asset transfers or is the stuff that's still in Canada too small sort of be effective? In that work scope.

Oh, no. It's work in Australia would fit our fleet in Canada, and we don't have long term commitments on a lot of that fleet, be it big or small. The smaller assets fit into a lot of the Western Australia opportunities we see. And even the most recent copper mine when we had in New South Wales, that's that was 110 trucks. And we've placed some two forty ton trucks at a a coal mine there as well. So I think you hit the nail on the head there, Aaron, that if we can get 85% utilization in five year committed contract terms, that kind of return on assets, yeah, I do think we'll continue to see assets going from Canada to Australia. With wins of contracts like that. It makes great sense for us as far as return on the capital. You do incur a little bit of short term pain in that shipping time frame. I mean, we would love to have it engaged in long term contracts closer by to where we don't have that loss of time when we're mobilizing between jobs. But [indiscernible] the equipment we sent there and already placed in the contracts, if we can do more of that I think it makes great sense for the business.

Both from return on capital and long term stability. I guess not to put a too fine a point on it, but would there be like would it be better to sort of lease or buy new equipment to source that work or is it better to continue to transfer underutilized I think our yeah. It would be better to transfer underutilized assets and put them into an area where you can get high utilization, long term commitments. Frankly, if they're looking for newer assets, we can take the ones we have and rebuild them, second like rebuilds back to new standards that was the need. So we'd absolutely look to employ our existing assets before we went out and bought any growth assets.

Gotcha.

And then maybe one for Jason. You outlined the diverse diversification journey on Slide 19. Can you speak to any progress if after applicable, on how you might be thinking about North Americans GICS code and maybe more superficially about [indiscernible] the corporate name just given that you know, the GICS code and the name don't really reflect the business fundamentals anymore?

Yeah, with the filing of yesterday, we will be engaging in a GICS review you know, we we feel on slide 19 that does show a pretty diversified business and we will be making the argument for a re categorization to reflect that. So, you know, I'm looking forward to that actually next week We are scheduled to have those conversations. So having this trailing 12 audit was an important milestone and so that is done effective yesterday and so those conversations will start next week. [indiscernible] Joe can comment as well, but we continue to debate the name change. It's one of those decisions that's tricky. We clearly have a name that doesn't fit our 60% Australia you know, generating business but you know, I would say stay tuned for that.

Gotcha.

Thanks, both.

Happy to turn it back.

Thank you. You are next question is from Maxine Sichtev National Bank Financial. Your line is now open. Hi. Good morning, gentlemen.

Good morning, Matt.

Joe, I was wondering if if it's possible to get any call in relation to I I mean, I I think there was some inclement weather Australia recently and how we should be thinking about those impacts for an upcoming Q1? So yeah, just maybe any color in terms of how Q1 is trending specifically to that?

Like I said in my comments, Q1's only about 20% of our year in the financial side of things. It's quite a contrast. I know you've been around with us a long time, Max. Quite a contrast, Mamir, 95% of oil sands in Q1 used to be a third of the business at times. What drives that is that Q1 is actually the highest weather impact quarter now. Because, it's the the biggest weather well, really the only weather quarter other than the tail end of Q4 in Australia. And we do get some impacts from the extreme cold in Alberta, And oil sands, the busier oil sands, q one is now tempered by the fact that it's only 25% of the business. And then the other thing that affects that in the second half of the year is the growth assets we added last year, some of which have timing slipped into this year. We don't get a full year effect of those They start ramping up as those growth assets come in. And so the second half of the year, we'll just see more influence from that. And then we also if you look at our our summer seasonal businesses, which is typically the Nuna Work Up North, And The Fargo Moorhead project, that's why we peak in Q3.

So we go from that 20% low up to a peak in in Q1 to a peak in Q3 and then it backs up slightly in Q4.

Yeah.

Okay. That makes sense. And then your comment around 25% of the business to be infrastructure levered over time. How should we think about the capital intensity of that business? Is that still going be very similar should be thinking about kind [indiscernible] Fargo type you know, projects or I guess, like any thoughts on that would be helpful.

Yeah, I mean, my expectation would be very capital light It's part of why we like the business, the Fargo project is standalone on its fleet requirements. We haven't put any assets in there. It's very modest on capital, and they've positive cash flow very quickly. All of what's attractive about that marketplace And then I think there's a a growing demand for our kind of practical construction mentality and and doing these kind of the type of contracts like the progressive design builds and the construction management at risk contracts, I think, fit the way we manage operations very well. And yeah, I think that, you know, overall, we see a high demand in infrastructure projects, especially more that fit what we do with these climate resiliency And with that low capital intensity, that's absolutely the reason we're pursuing them. That much more, Max.

Yeah, and I guess is it gonna be both Canada, Australia? Or is there sort of more focus on a specific geography?

Yeah, predominantly US and Australia, but certainly some in Canada. But I think the biggest market is The US and I think Australia is like just after that.

Okay. Okay. That's, that's helpful. And then maybe just one quick question for Jason, if I may. In terms of Fargo, because correct me if I'm wrong, it was peak revenue generation in 2024. So how should we think about the curvature of that normalization as the year progresses in 2025?

It's about 10% down from 2024, so it's still a big strong year in 2025. We might not get to one and fifty but you know, 140 type of top line we expect out of Fargo this year.

Okay. Okay. Very helpful. And then is it possible to get the last question, any incremental thoughts on NCIB quantum timing, kind of trigger points Anything you can add there? Thanks.

We've been active in the NCIB. I think we'll continue to be at these share prices. I would expect we're kind of a low level of activity and as our cash flow improves, depending on where share prices, I would expect it to increase if it were staying the same as it is now as our as our cash flow improves during the year.

That's great. That's it for me. Thank you so much, Sheldon.

Thank you.

Your next question is from Adam Thalhimer from Thompson Davis. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning guys.

Good morning, Adam.

One of my questions was what you just answered, the Fargo going from call it +1 down to +1.

You think is there an offset maybe at Nuna or somewhere else within the JV line to where you can put up JV revenue growth this year? I think it's we've we've got some modest increase potential there. They're bidding actively right now for a lot of summer work. And so we'll we'll have a better view on that, I think, after the q one close. And into q two.

Got it. And then I'm just curious, high level, you know, kind of what you've what you've learned from Fargo and what types of projects you'd be looking for in The U. S. Going forward?

No, I think we've learned [indiscernible] We've had some good partners there and we've learned a lot about executing that work and dealing with the authorities in The US, the permitting the regulatory side. It's a very it was a very good experience for us because that project is [indiscernible] national because it's on a river, it has two different states because it splits the border of two states, it's two different counties in two different cities. So it really gave us a lot of good experience into how regulatory works from municipalities up to the federal side of things. And I think we've just been in it longer and understand it. And have been around our partners and talked to others in The US infrastructure world and feel more comfortable doing that kind of work. We we look for still look for stuff that's more birth works, civil construction that we've done before. But you know, I don't think we be scared to get into other areas with the right partner and the right experience. We're not going to jump into building skyscrapers or anything like that, but you know, we've done roadworks in the past. Concrete's not a huge huge expansion up for its skill base and talent base.

So, I think most of the infrastructure we're work that isn't you know, vertical construction would would fit us pretty well.

Got it. Okay.

And just last one for me. Curious how you see backlog trending this year because it it looked like you're larger bids were more concentrated in early twenty six.

That's the start date of those projects, so we would still look to win those in 2025, but they'd be in backlog before then. I think we've got some good opportunities to continue the growth with some potential expansions, predominantly in Australia and extensions early extensions of contracts. And some some civil and mining opportunities, in particular in Ontario right now. Yeah, I think there's good opportunities to continue to build on that.

Great. Thank you, Joe.

You bet. Thank you, Anne.

Thank you. Your next question is from Will Witherich from Witherich Company. Your line is now open.

Hi, guys. So the one word I have not heard this whole call is tariffs, which is kind of the topic of discussion on every other conference call. So address that. I mean, I presume some heavy equipment purchasing or moving thereof might be faced with this. But anyhow, if you can sort of put together any potential impacts you might see from tariffs.

Right now, Bill, we haven't felt much and not to say we won't in the future, but it doesn't most of the stuff we our our assets, we rebuild our own or we've already ordered them and they're on their way We don't see a lot of huge asset purchases coming from The US over the next twelve months. Obviously, nothing's affecting Australia. Which is, like we said, is over 60% of our business and nothing's affecting our US operation. That we have seen. So even when we look at the Canada stuff and the tariffs on oil, 10% versus 25%. And we certainly haven't seen any dramatic changes in plans as of yet. From our clients and the producers. Not to say we'll be immune from it, but right now it doesn't feel like it's gonna have a material effect on us. I guess we'll we'll know more about that on April 2, I guess.

Right. And the other question I have is Australia, you referred to the first quarter as being a weaker quarter, in particular because of of our usual pattern in Australia. How about this year in particular? How How has the first quarter weather in Australia looked overall and what might this impact be?

We just went through cyclone Alfred. It has a a significant impact in our operations more on the corporate side. We had rains in February, affected our operating sites more than hurt [indiscernible] It's just Q1 is always their low quarter because it's the most impacted by rains. Generally, the rest of the year is unimpacted by weather other than possibly early cyclones in like late November, early December. But it's very similar to Northern Alberta. Our cold weather we usually get in January, February, The big rains in Australia are usually January and February as well. So that's why our Q1 is most impacted. And then the rest of it is just they're still getting growth assets delivered And we just started up our ARRIS project at the copper mine in New South Wales. And then those growth assets coming and ramping up. So that's what makes the later quarters and second half of the year higher.

Thank you.

No worries. Thanks, Bill.

Thank you. Once again, please press And your next question is from John Jack from Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning, guys. Morning, Sean.

So just one for me. It's it's been pointing out that there's been some new opportunities in Australia in the bid pipeline. I just wanted to check and see how you're seeing the competition level for bids there and you know, I expect to know, but has there been any change in sentiment there with some of the noise in the global markets right now? We still see very strong demand. There is There is strong competition. But what we will say is it's very disciplined competition. [indiscernible] were very pleased in winning copper mine in New South Wales and getting that kicked off. I think it's gonna bode well for us in in getting into areas like Western Australia where unit rate work is better. More more prevalent. So we see strong demand, we do see competition, but it's very disciplined competition. No one's acting desperate. And so we think that with our safe low cost structure, we'll have a very good opportunity to win that work. And and they're continuing to you know, we continue to see early potential renewals. Actually, if you looked at the bid pipeline, the big blue dot in the middle the of the graph in the second row that's actually an early extension opportunity.

So we continue to see contracts that have early renewals and expansion opportunities, and long term commitments. And so we see that marketplace continuing to be strong and our relationships with our clients and our our capabilities to expand beyond our current operations and continue to diversify geographically and commodity wise, Like I said, I think we're in the best place we've ever been, John.

Great to hear. That's all from me, guys. [indiscernible] Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. This concludes the Q and A section of the call. And I will pass the call over to Joe Lambert, President and CEO, for closing comments.

Thanks, Jenny. Thanks again, everyone, for joining us today. We look forward to providing the next update upon closing of our Q1 twenty twenty five results.

Thank you. This concludes the North American Construction Group conference call on fourth quarter twenty twenty four. Conference call has now ended. You may all disconnect your lines.