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Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today to discuss Rapid7's fourth quarter and full year 2024 financial and operating results in addition to our financial outlook. For the first quarter and full fiscal year 2025. With me on the call today are Corey Thomas, our CEO and Tim Adams, our CFO. We have distributed our earnings press release over the wire and in is now posted on our website at investors.rapids7.com, along with the updated company presentation and financial metrics file. This call is being broadcast live via webcast and following the call, an audio replay will be available. At investors.rapidseven.com Rapid7. During this call, we may make statements related to our business that are considered forward looking under federal securities laws. These statements are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and include statements related to the company's positioning, strategy, business plans, foundational work in 2024, operational improvements, growth drivers, ability to reaccelerate growth and scale profitability, financial guidance for the first quarter and full year 2025, and the assumptions underlying such goals and guidance and the impact of its product profile and 2025 investments.

These forward looking statements are based on our current expectations beliefs and on information currently available to us. Actual outcomes and results may differ materially from the future results, or implied in these statements due to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those contained in our most recent quarterly report on Form 10 Q filed on 11/07/2024, in the subsequent reports that we file with the SEC. The information provided on this conference call should be considered in light of such risks. Actual results and the timing of certain events may differ materially from the results or timing predicted or implied by such forward looking statements. And reported results should not be considered as an indication of future performance. Rapid7 Rapid7 not assume any obligation to update the information presented on this conference call, except to the extent required by applicable law. Commentary today will primarily be in non GAAP terms and reconciliations between our historical GAAP and non GAAP results can be found in today's earnings press release and on our website at investors.route7.com.

Please be advised that this additional detail may be one time in nature and we may or may not update these metrics in the future. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Cory Thomas. [indiscernible] Thank you, Elizabeth, and welcome to everyone joining us on the call today. Rapid7 ended twenty twenty four with $840,000,000 in ARR line with our outlook and growing 4% over the prior year. Revenue and operating income exceeded our guided ranges. While we generated over hundred and $50,000,000 in free cash flow for the year. Customer engagement in the fourth quarter aligned with patterns we observed at the end of Q3. Are seeing encouraging trends in platform adoption evidenced by expanding deal sizes and lower contract durations. While these factors naturally extend our deal cycles, they underscore the growing strategic value customers see consolidating their security operations with Rapid7 Rapid7.

Our Detection Response business remained a key pillar of strength delivering double digit growth in 2024 and in the year at over $400,000,000 in AR.

The strategic value of our security operations platform is is reflected in the average ARR per DNR customer, which is now approximately $100,000 Meanwhile, our risk and exposure management business is showing promising momentum driven by early traction from Exposure Command. The integrated approach of our Command platform resonated strongly with customers helping drive over 20% year over year growth in total risk exposure management pipeline generation during the fourth quarter.

Looking back at 2024, in it was a year of critical foundational work across three strategic priorities.

First, we focused on innovation within our world class detection response offering by expanding our coverage of third party alerts and leveraging AI driven capabilities for alert triaging and detection accuracy. We significantly improved our customers' ability to respond with the speed and precision that they expect. These advancements strengthened our competitive position and delivered measurable benefits to our customers. Solidifying our leadership a rapidly evolving market. Second, we made substantial progress scaling our partner ecosystem drive more efficient growth. Today, we're booking between 80% to 90% our new ARR [indiscernible] With deeper engagement and stronger pipeline generation from our top strategic partners. The operational improvements we've made in enablement and transaction efficiency provide strong foundations for continued partner momentum in 2025.

Third, we achieved a significant milestone in cloud security adoption. With the third quarter release of Exposure Command. The early traction we're seeing validates our integrated approach to comprehensive attack surface and exposure management. A recent competitive win illustrates the value proposition of Exposure Command.

An existing MDR customer a regional insurance company needed to expand their security coverage and manage assets across a multi cloud environment. Rapid7 distinguishes itself through our comprehensive approach, seamless integrations with your existing endpoint security provider, and strong capabilities in identifying security control gaps. This 6 figure deal exemplifies both our cross sell opportunity and the value we deliver as customers consolidate security operations across our Command platform. While we recognize that our recent growth has not kept pace with broader security demand, we strongly believe the foundational work we completed in 2024 positions us well for more consistent execution and sustainable growth. Our strategy is anchored in today's market reality, Organizations with constrained resources need to proactively manage threats, across an increasingly complex attack surface. The cornerstone of any security operations program is detecting and stopping threats before they become major incidents.

Yet most organizations struggle to cost effectively process their growing volume of security data. This data challenge results in limited visibility across the attack surface. Creating unnecessary exposures that further strain response capabilities. Over the past three years, we have worked to evolve Rapid7 into a leading integrated security operations platform, anchored by our managed detection and response program and emerging traction in risk and exposure management.

Our expert led AI driven MDR enables us not just to monitor the attack surface, but to track what should be monitored as it evolves in real time.

Allowing our customers to proactively contain likely compromises before they occur. The foundation of effective detection response must be built on an integrated view of the attack surface. And this is a key differentiator our approach to MDR. We built a comprehensive exposure management solution that spans from endpoints to cloud across an organization's internal and external tax servers. Our flagship exposure management solution, Exposure Command, integrates traditional VM cloud security, application security, SOAR CASM capabilities into our Command platform. We believe the progress we made in our strategic transformation now sets the stage for reaccelerated growth in 2025 and 2026. To understand our trajectory, important to examine the key drivers of our recent performance. Let me outline why we're now positioned for acceleration the decisive steps that we're taking to improve the growth while improving and scaling profitability over time.

Our AI driven MDR represents a future of security operations. Redefining how organizations protect themselves in an evolving threat landscape We've spent the last three years investing in both technology and service experience to build an MDR product that delivers the scale, and accessibility to monitor customer security at a lower total cost of operations. These innovations improved security outcomes while deepening our partnership with customers. This steadfast commitment to our customers has positioned us as a leader in this space. With one of the strongest offerings in the market today. Our DNR business now generates over $400,000,000 in ARR. Managed D and R contributes over three quarters of this total, is growing in the mid teens. Looking ahead, we see significant opportunities for accelerated growth while maintaining our gross margin structure. This year, we're making targeted investments in MDR growth as well as incremental R and D for exposure management in order to scale our threat detection capabilities expedite response times and provide customers with deeper visibility into their attack surface.

We are underway in establishing a new SOC and innovation center in India to accelerate these investments as well as investing in sales and marketing initiatives to support our expansion opportunities. Rapid7's differentiated NVR offering and high product market fit support these investments in expanding our market position. Especially given the large growth opportunity that we see ahead. As we've seen success with detection and response, we've recognized shifts in the vulnerability management landscape that required a strategic response. This space has seen intense competition and accelerating cloud migration. Leading to secular pressure in standalone VM. Rather than simply defending this traditional business, we've intentionally shifted toward the more sustainable growth markets of consolidated exposure management and managed detection response. As we built out our integrated offering, Exposure Command, we were less competitive in traditional vulnerability management, a dynamic that included both growth deceleration and moderately increased churn in those markets. We believe that we're entering 2025 equipped with a better product profile that positions us to reverse these trends and capitalize on the market opportunity in front of us.

This emerging domain of integrated risk and exposure management positions us to compete more effectively for VM and cloud security budgets going forward, and to reestablish our leadership in the exposure management space. We view exposure management as the consolidation of multiple risk markets, including VM, cloud security and several ancillary markets. Well as a more integrated view of the environment, providing the foundation for an active detection and response practice. As we look forward, our shift towards sustainable security growth and exposure management isn't just underway, It has meaningful scale and momentum. The launch of Exposure Command has exceeded our early expectations. In Q4, we continued to build pipeline momentum while seeing encouraging conversion rates that validate our strategy. We're building on this early success through several key initiatives. Deeper integrations with third party tools to provide more comprehensive and actual insights, reducing customer workload and adding better data context. Expanded use cases supporting emerging needs in secure AI development and hybrid cloud compliance. [indiscernible] customer education campaigns highlighting the ROI of consolidated risk visibility exposure management, And lastly, competitive pricing models including Surface Command as an entry level option for existing VM customers. Looking ahead, we see two core expansion opportunities for 2025.

First, we're evolving our customer engagement model to drive expansion of MDR and exposure command capabilities across our installed base. With clear expansion paths for cross selling direct complete, to risk and exposure customers and vice versa. Second, we're in process for FedRAMP authorization for key pillars of our risk and exposure management This opens meaningful opportunities as federal agencies increasingly embrace cloud native SaaS solutions.

Turning to our 2025 outlook.

We expect ARR growth of 4% to 6% consistent with the preliminary expectations we shared in November. We expect a majority of our 2025 ARR growth to be driven by our Detection and Response business with a strong contribution from MDR. We're assuming a modest contribution [indiscernible] expect to have a better sense of momentum for Exposure Command in our new sales expansion initiatives through the first half of the year. As we work towards reaccelerating sustainable growth, we remain committed to expanding free cash flow over time. This year, we identified several attractive opportunities to reinvest in our business to accelerate growth while enhancing our midterm cost structure. As a result, we're electing to reinvest up to $30,000,000 into these opportunities a primary focus on supporting the strategic growth initiatives we've spoken about, including extending our MDR service capabilities and offerings to reach a broader set of customers, and accelerate our enterprise progress. Secondly, building upon our exposure command traction by accelerating our exposure management roadmap and lastly, establish a new innovation center in India to accelerate future innovation while improving leverage over time. Upfront investment in 2025 positions us to strengthen our competitive position, through enhanced innovation while improving our go forward cost structure.

We anticipate seeing the benefits of these investments in 2026 and beyond. Later this year, we'll host an Analyst Day to provide a deeper look at our business our strategy, product performance and mid term growth framework. With that, I'll turn the call over to Tim.

Thank you, Corey. Good afternoon, everyone. And thank you for joining us on the call today. Before I turn to the results, a quick reminder that except for revenue, all financial results we will discuss today are non GAAP financial measures, unless otherwise stated. Additionally, reconciliations between our GAAP and non GAAP results can be found in our earnings press release. Rapid7 ended the year with $840,000,000 in ARR. Growing 4% over the prior year, We ended 2024 with solid double digit growth momentum our Detection and Response business, and with promising early traction and efforts to stabilize and accelerate growth in risk and exposure management. As Corey shared, fourth quarter deal activity tracked as expected. Reflecting stable customer spending patterns. Our larger deal sizes and longer contract durations reflect strengthening customer partnerships and will support expansion opportunities over time. Our total customer base grew 2% year over year to end 2024 with over 11,700 customers globally. Just under 15% of these customers have adopted which reflects the sizable opportunity to drive expansion in our customer base. ARR per customer grew 2% year over year to a approximately $72,000 reflecting continued customer expansion within our platform. Full year revenue of $844,000,000 grew 9% over the prior year Recurring product revenue also grew 9% over the prior year to a full year total of $8.00 $9,000,000 while professional services declined 6% as we actively deemphasize certain lower value services.

Operating income of $164,000,000 was above our guided range for the year, as well. This represents 19% full year operating margin and expansion of over 600 basis points from the prior year. Demonstrating our ability to drive operational efficiency alongside our 2024 investments in innovation and growth. We generated $154,000,000 of free cash flow in 2024 towards the high end of our outlook range. This represents a full year free cash flow margin of 18%, expansion of over 800 basis points from the prior year.

Now turning to our fourth quarter results.

Total revenue of $216,000,000 was up 5% over the year and above the high end of our guidance. Recurring product revenue grew 6% year over year to $2.00 $6,000,000 while professional services declined 5% over the prior year. International revenue grew 14% year over year increasing to 25% of total revenue. While North America grew 3% and accounted for 75% of the mix. Product gross margin was 75% in the quarter slightly below the prior year on higher hosting costs. Total gross margin for the quarter was 73%, Sales and marketing expense represented 30% of revenue down from 32% in the prior year. R and D expense was in line with the prior year at 16% of revenue, While G and A expense ticked up to 8% of revenue, All in all, fourth quarter operating income of $40,000,000 driven by revenue outperformance and disciplined expense management and represented an operating margin of 18%. Our adjusted EBITDA was $46,000,000 in the and net income per share was $0.48 Moving to our balance sheet and cash flow statement. We ended the year with cash, cash equivalents and investments of $559,000,000 compared to $439,000,000 at the end of twenty twenty three. Higher operating profitability contributed to strong fourth quarter free cash flow of $59,000,000 This brings us to our 2025 guidance.

For the full year, we expect ending total ARR of $870,000,000 to $890,000,000 which represents growth of 4% to 6%. This range assumes a stable customer spending environment to what we're seeing today. Which includes some uncertainty and disruption with certain state, [indiscernible] educational and healthcare customers, In addition, we expect more pronounced seasonality that reflects larger deal sizes and longer deal cycles associated operations platform. Similar to 2024, we expect net new ARR seasonality to be skewed to the second half of the year with a first quarter ending ARR that is flat to modestly up from the end of twenty twenty four. Turning to revenue. We expect total revenue for the year to be in the range of $860,000,000 to $870,000,000 representing growth of 2% to 3%. Our recurring product revenue is expected to grow faster than this range offset by a year over year reduction in professional services revenue of approximately $10,000,000 for the full year. We continue to deemphasize certain professional services and this is reflected in our guidance range. Moving to profitability measures for 2025. As Corey mentioned, we are reinvesting in our business to prioritize growth reacceleration. We remain strongly committed to expanding profitability over time And this year, we are making targeted investments to improve our cost structure and ability to scale efficiently in 2026.

Particularly in investments in R and D and the opening of our innovation center in India. For operating income, we expect to be in the range of 125 to $135,000,000 for the full year. And we expect to generate roughly $135,000,000 in free cash flow.

Net income per share is expected to be in the range of $1.72 to $1.85 based on an estimated $77,300,000 diluted weighted average shares outstanding. Moving to our quarterly guidance. For the first quarter of twenty twenty five, we expect total revenue in the range of $2.00 $7.02 $09,000,000 representing year over year growth of 1% to 2%.

We expect non GAAP operating income for the first quarter in the range of $23,000,000 to $25,000,000 and non GAAP net income per share of $0.33 to $0.36 based on an estimated 75,600,000.0 diluted weighted average shares outstanding. One accounting item I want to mention. During our financial close process for the fourth quarter, we identified and corrected a stock based compensation error which resulted in an understatement of stock based compensation expense in 2023 and the first three quarters of twenty twenty four. While this required an immaterial correction of our reported revenue, free cash flow, or non GAAP profitability metrics For those interested, we've provided additional details in the footnotes of our earnings press release. I'd like to once again thank our team for the dedication and execution as we continue strengthening our platform and positioning Rapid7 for long term success. We are encouraged by the momentum in our Detection and Response business the deepening impact of our partner ecosystem and the continued adoption of Exposure Command, As we close out the year, we remain committed to driving sustainable growth expanding profitability over time and reinforcing our leadership in security operations. Helping customers navigate an increasingly complex threat landscape while delivering strong value for our shareholders.

With that, thank you for taking the time to join our call today.

Your first question comes from the line of Saket Kalia with Barclays. Please go had Okay, great.

Guys, thanks for taking my questions here. How are you?

Hey, guys.

Corey, maybe just to start with you. I understand the strategic shift towards detection and response.

But I just wanted to double check some numbers that you called out in your prepared remarks I think you said about $400,000,000 in ARR for detection of response. Most of which is managed DNR. And I think we said that's growing mid teens. Is it fair to say that the remainder of ARR is mostly VM and if so, how are we kind of thinking about growth in that segment in 2025?

Yes. So you're right on the D and R business growth in MDR weighted towards the mid team. Remainder is a mix of cloud VM, and we have some legacy sort of like Prox and Technologies around threat intelligence and all of that. So is a number of other things. Way that I would think about it is we have very good confidence and we're leaning into and investing more into the DNR growth. We think we have a big market open opportunity there. We do believe that the integrated exposure management market is going to be a growth driver and we've seen early momentum on that as we actually go forward. I would just say to actually your core question is entering this year, we actually are taking the approach of actually adding it into our guidance and expectations as we actually see the process progress in our readers. So we've seen good initial both pipeline build, we've seen good conversion rates, It is upside to our plan a continued momentum that we actually have, but it is primarily upside to the plan because we want to make sure that we're not over precise on the timing or the deal cycles or anything else.

That makes sense in the exposure management side. Tim, maybe for my follow-up for you. You, the investment that's going towards managed D and R to support that growth, I think we've got that message loud and clear. Maybe as you think forward though, you just talk about how the margins in that business might look at scale versus maybe the rest of the business? Yes, Saket.

I think overall product gross margins will remain stable in that mid-70s range that you've seen historically. The managed service does come in at a lower gross margin due to the nature of the business. There's a labor component. We do a lot of work around introducing AI to drive more efficiencies We talked about the innovation center in the SOC over in India. That also gives us the opportunity to drive some efficiencies But if you look at overall gross margin from a mix standpoint, the managed service gives you a little bit of a headwind because of the lower gross margin, but we think we have a tailwind AI and the efficiencies that we can drive over time. But overall, when you look at product gross margin, mid-70s should remain stable.

Very helpful.

Thank you very much, Saket. Thank you. Your next [indiscernible] Your next question comes from the line of Matt Hedberg with RBC. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks for taking my questions guys. Corey, I wanted to circle back to something you said on the prior remarks. I think you said you've reached some significant valid security milestones, which is good to hear. And I think some of the numbers you gave supported that. I'm just curious though, at a high level, can you help us think about like your value proposition why you're winning there? Obviously, it's a competitive landscape when we're talking about cloud security and I guess, how sustainable is that success do you think?

Yes. Look, it's a hyper competitive landscape. One of the things that we actually spent of time looking at is how to make sure that we're actually taking a approach was going to be both value add in the market, but also going to be actually sustainable over time. One of our big realizations is that cloud security is still adopted by a relatively small number of customers. And if you look at the broader market and if you look at sort of like the cloud security market at scale, people really want is complexity reduction. And so our big focus is how you actually deliver integrated exposure management But when you really think about that is, how do I actually understand my attack surface regardless of whether it's cloud, on prem, endpoint, SaaS and how do I have an integrated complete view of my tax surface How do I track my risk over time? Do I adhere to an incredibly fragmented regulatory compliant state? That's emerging up how do I manage my remediation? And so, our approach is not to go after, I would just say the traditional, what we think about as the first mover cloud centers of excellence, hyper competitive market, Our focus is how do we actually make total security risk management and exposure management accessible, cost effective, easy to use, easy to manage compliance, easy to manage remediation, for your average sort of organization and customer around the world.

And that targets our core customer base of that. When we looked even at our installed base, we saw under adoption of anyone. Anyone's cloud security technology. So we approached it less from a how do we actually go build what other people are building in the traditional cloud security market we approached it from a how do we actually help customers solve their overall security problems, track and manage risk and compliance, and do that within the security budgets that they actually have for those that are under adopted. And we see that as a pretty big market, pretty sustainable. So that's the core focus that we have.

Great. Sounds like a lot of greenfield opportunity there. Lots of greenfield and maybe this is a kind of a tough sell for Kim. [indiscernible] Corey, you talked about some of the incremental investments And I guess, Tim, from your perspective, how confident are you when you think about the financial model of those leading system acceleration in 2026? And I do should we think about that as more will say one time, but do you think we start to see some margin of improvement then in counter '26? Yes, Matt. Look, we're very confident in the steps we're taking, dollars 30,000,000 investment. Corey talked a little bit about it. Roughly half of that is going toward MDR and expanding that service capability. So we think that will be a growth driver The other half I would say is really just accelerating the roadmap on exposure command again, a product we're very excited about. And opening up this new innovation center in India, which we know will drive I think some exciting innovation talent over time but also does come at a cost benefit as well. So we do expect to see more of that yield in 2026 and beyond.

Thanks a lot.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Fatima Boulani with Citi. Please go ahead. Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. Corey, I wanted to go back to your earlier question [indiscernible] the vulnerability management as narrowly defined I think that's pretty evident in the numbers if your D and R business is growing double digits. I think we can all do the math. It's over half your ARR at this point. So what I want to ask you is where are we in kind of the trough or the nadir of some of this decline and I guess the disillusionment in the market? And how are you just directionally thinking about the trajectory of decline in this area in 2025? And I have a follow-up, please.

Yes. It's a good question. So So the first thing is there's two different parts. One is the secular decline because vulnerability management would just say the cloud dollars and some of the other risk dollars said, we do see pretty robust opportunities when you think about how people have to manage risk in a pretty crowded not crowded, but in a pretty fragmented regulatory environment. So the way that I see it right now is that if you look at traditional on prem vulnerability management, just say there's not lots of growth there. I don't know if there's massive decline there. There's not a lot of incremental growth there. The growth areas that we see specifically are the Greenfield organizations. That actually are trying to get a handle on how do they actually deal with incredible regulatory compliance pressures deal with a very fragmented environment and have very few resources to actually manage that That's where we see some of the earlier momentum with the exposure command. Now to get to your core point on timing, expectation that we laid out for this year is that like we see it in pipeline building mode, we built pipeline We see early conversion rates.

We see it get, I would say, incrementally positive this year. From a total net perspective, but it's not sort of like material adding to material growth in our baseline plan right now. That said, we'll increase that as we actually go across the year and see the numbers. But we put pretty modest expectations in based on the exit rates coming out of last year. Of course, we're managing that to actually be more forward. But we see lots of the benefit again, coming in throughout this year and building into next year. [indiscernible] of the margin guidance that you shared There's been a tremendous amount of change in the business from a personnel standpoint. You all went through a pretty material rebalancing of the workforce. So I wanted to better [indiscernible] sales productivity, sales capacity, anything you can give us on how much of the capacity is still kind of net new and still ramping and some of the productivity trends that you saw this year? How are you toggling that into your assumptions for the mid single digit ARR growth for next year? Thank you.

Yes, thank you. So on the sales perspective, we're actually adding a modest amount of sales headcount. We expect to see productivity gains. That's primarily because our sellers have now more products to sell and we're actually remember last year we had like a partial year of with the transition from CRC to Exposure Command, And so the lion's share of the productivity gains is just a full year of settling with better pipeline coming into the year. On exposure command. So we feel really good about that. On your point about the the staffing changes, the time that we actually did the restructuring through now, I'll remind you that now you see some of the results. Our intention was always to [indiscernible] our business towards DNR and what we eventually called exposure command, I will say that we expect more of that expenses to hit last year, So we were a little bit slow off the bottom mark on our reaccelerating the hiring on that. That definitely has some implications on the growth and the velocity that we wanted to see. And so in some ways, this year is sort of like rebalancing. Some of the hires that we originally expected to actually start last year.

We're still on the plan that we originally intended, Was it rotating the business from traditional vulnerability management towards a detection and response oriented business with the core exposure command underlying base. Really targeted that greenfield market.

Very clear. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Gallo with Jefferies.

Hey guys, thanks for the question. Can you just further elaborate on the competitive and pricing environment I just want to better understand what gives you confidence that this is a a pipeline to eventual conversion timing story versus competitive pressures? No, it's a great point. Well, what I would just say is just to hit it directly is that, I would say traditional VM was a competitive pressure source. And I think we were pretty clear about that.

My prepared remarks. On the exposure command and the momentum that we're actually seeing there, I would just say the evidence is evidenced by the fact that not we not just built pipe, we actually saw conversion rates ahead of where we expected. Look, it's still not much deal cycles, but we actually are seeing the trending on the adoption and the conversion rates where we expect them to be. Yeah. I expect that to still be a somewhat competitive market, which is why we're investing. We see the growth opportunity, we see the interest, we actually see the momentum. So we're not assuming that it's a non competitive market, but we have a massive, I would just say, upsell opportunity within our own install base. If you look at it, we saw a significant amount of the pipeline that we built and the early conversions. In our installed base. We've not had a big expansion business off of our traditional VM install base for a while. We see a lot of latent demand within that resource constrained buyer, that Russell 3,000 those private firms. And so those are the dynamics that we look at. We don't expect any market to be non competitive.

What I would just say is that the opportunity is very robust, both from a DNR perspective especially with our MDR offering as well from the exposure command perspective.

Awesome.

And then just as a follow-up, I mean, if you at your guidance and maybe compare it to previous years. I mean, your sense of visibility into your forecast?

And as we look at potential upside drivers to the 4% to 6% ARR growth, what are the things that can go right this year And are those more of first half or second half stories?

Thank you. Yes. It's a very good question. So the first thing is, we widened guidance versus prior years. Look, after the year last year, we had no intention of actually not being incredibly thoughtful as we actually came into it. And so we widened the guidance range that we sort of took as we actually entered this year. The drivers of upside to your core question are fairly straightforward overall. We expanding our MDR offering. It's an area of strength. The deal cycles are longer. So we are seeing sort of I would just say more larger deal cycles just to be clear. But we talked about what the ARR per customer for the overall MBR customer is. But we see upside to that as we expand that offering. The pipeline that we built on exposure command is actually very good. We saw good early progress. It is still primarily upside to the plan, just to be clear. Look, this is a year from a guidance perspective that we're not going to actually change or raise numbers till we actually see the performance in arrears. We think that's the right thing to do. With our investors and with the contacts.

So we see performance, we'll actually do it in arrears. We do see lots of opportunities for upside. But again, we're measured. Now, I would just say one of the things that we're watching closely and that I'm hearing a lot about from our customers is we have a lot of customer spec with especially when you think about these resource constrained buyers.

That are under some pressure from ambiguity. If you look at our healthcare customers that are relying on federal [indiscernible] you look at our state and local customers that are also reliant, and as well as our emergent federal market, those are customers that are trying to understand how the federal funds are going to flow. And so we're incrementally thoughtful about like how that plays out over the course of the year.

Thank you.

Your next question comes your [indiscernible] Operator, can you please repeat it? We had some back feedback noise on the line. Can you please reintroduce the person they may not have heard you to?

Yes. Yes. Your next question comes from the line of Patrick Colville with Scotiabank Your line is now open.

All right, guys. Thank you so much for taking my question. So I guess [indiscernible] Looking at the numbers, what stands out to me is I guess, improvements in the kind of net new ARR contraction [indiscernible] guided to continued improvements in kind of the trajectory for net new ARR into next year. I think you called out in the prepared remarks that expecting net new ARR by the back half of twenty twenty five to actually be flat to maybe up. So can you just just so we're completely clear, what are the factors that give you confidence to call out the kind of net new ARI in the back half of the year? Could even grow from these levels.

Yes, it's a great question. So the first is that it's based on areas of strength. We see good opportunity in the DNR business and we're extending that business There's parts of it we haven't been able to address historically. There are some more customized business. Especially in the enterprise segment. So we're making a pretty significant investment to actually extend the business. This is something that our sales team has actually been hungry for. The second thing that we're looking at as we actually go along is we actually have a better pipeline entering this year. Now we are being sort of thoughtful about sort of how that actually sort of converts over the pace of the year, but we are in a much better position from overall pipeline And we do have the upside from the exposure command, surface command and vector command products that we introduced late last year. And Patrick, it's Tim. So you saw we had a strong Q4 of this year and that is traditionally the strong quarter for us. And so as we model out the profile of net new throughout the year, we do see Q3 and Q4 being a little bit stronger.

Again with Q4 playing out similar to what you saw this year.

Okay.

Thank you, Corey and Tim for that. And then I guess my follow on is just about the competitive environment. I mean, Rapid7 today is a very different business to what it was even just twelve months ago.

I guess, if we think about the key competitors as of right now in these new areas like DNR and [indiscernible] Are we talking about your traditional competitors, your VM competitors those guys and their tools there? Or is it network security competitors or kind of cloud native competitors?

Yes. On the NDR market, it's a good question. Competition. On the NDR market, it's a different set of competitors. I mean, part of what we like it's a massively fragmented market. That actually includes service providers, tech oriented service providers, endpoint providers, but it's a fragmented market and we think that fragmented competitive markets are great places to And we think our strategy of actually providing the widest visibility and monitoring across the attack surface and assisting customers and how they manage and operate that environment is a good play and a strategic play there.

You look at sort of like the precursor to that, that ties directly to our exposure management market because part of what differentiates us from MDR is we understand the attack surface better than our traditional MDR players. And so we have good symmetry between those When we identify exposures, we also have the opportunity to say, here's how we can actively monitor those exposures for tax.

You think about the exposure management market, I would just say, you're seeing that market evolving and emerging because most people recognize if you are going to actually be a narrow player, it's going to limit your opportunity. And so like cloud, there's only so many people that are going to have massive cloud centers of excellence. Where they're going to be paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions of dollars a year. 1,000,000,000 management, if you're just doing that on prem, And so, it really is how you provide integrated risk We think that there's going to be some major cloud security players that are going to shift and expand their offering over time.

You saw Tenable did the acquisition, which was a smart acquisition. That actually put them in the exposure management market. We do expect that to be a competitive market. We also see it's a massively underserved market. We see where it's the opportunity that's emerging, and we're investing behind pursuing that and we think we're incredibly well positioned there over Excellent. Thank you so much, Corey, and looking forward to 2025. Thank you very much. I am too.

Your next question comes from the line of Hamzah Fotarwala with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Great. Good evening and thank you for taking my questions. Corey, good to see the stabilization on the net new ARR front this quarter. I'm just curious, it seems like there's more growth or greater mix shift rather in the faster growing part of the business, the MDR portion of the business. Can you comment on the the churn or the down sell pressure that you're seeing in the VM part of the exposure management business, has that started bottom out as well? Thank you. Yes, that's a great question. So I'll remind you two things. One last year, we actually were not selling our BM and CRC solution for a big part of the year when we were actually going to do the transition So that added growth pressure overall last year. I would also just say in retrospect we did not manage to transition from the traditional vulnerability management to our integrated security operations stack with MDR exposure command as well as we actually could have. And so what we saw was increasing pressure when customers were trying to figure out what our strategy was. And that caused both retention pressure, but most importantly new ad pressure while we were waiting to actually add the new product.

We see the new ad stabilize in year and we see the retention we factored in as stable. From last year. We're looking at improvements as we upgrade our installed base vulnerability management from our InsightVM product to our Exposure Command product. Which is a much stickier, much more integrated product.

I would just say our baseline assumptions assume stability and we feel really good about the stability right now. The upside is if we're able to upgrade our installed base faster, that prevents both expansion dollars but those customers are also stickier because they're more integrated into the overall environment.

Very clear. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Adam Tindle with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thanks. Good afternoon. Corey, very clear that it makes sense to invest behind the strength in the DNR piece that's growing. I did want to tackle the other half of ARR that's in decline and just wondered the different options that you've considered for that, what you could potentially do to reaccelerate that or is that kind of more good money after bad? And the strategic optionality you might have considered Understand that maybe a little bit more minimal growth, but presumably profitable. What would be the pros and cons to considering maybe even splitting or selling that piece? Adam, great question. So we look at all options when it comes to actually thinking about what's the best way to actually get shareholder return. It was influenced by I was say, two ways. One, the strategy that we went down on the attack surface management path is a core differentiator for our D and R business. And so that's the first thing to actually consider. The second thing is we sold a pretty significant opportunity that we're excited about and the early momentum that we actually saw from Exposure Command and Surface Command, validated the early momentum that we actually saw from customers who are looking at how to tackle an incredibly complex risk environment.

To get to the core of your question is that we really focused on where do customers have the most pain, Is it already addressed by other products at reasonable price points? And where can we actually have a differentiated position? There's a significant amount of customers out there who are struggling with the complexity of managing a complex environment. And we actually see that those customers are under and not just under invested, looking for solutions to solve that complexity problem. And that's why we built in design Exposure Command for it. It's for that growth oriented market and we actually see great growth opportunities there. Got it. Okay. Maybe a quick follow-up for Tim. I just wonder if I look at the past couple of years, you initially start out with an ARR guidance that seems to be thoughtful on the surface and then throughout the year we've had to kind of lower expectations consistently For investors who have been through that, what's different about this year, particularly given if we take the Q1 commentary, it's going to be kind of flat sequentially, it's going to imply about 40% growth in net new in Q2, Q3 and Q4.

So those investors who have been through that cadence in the past, what would be something to give them a little bit more comfort this year? What's different?

Thanks.

Yes. Adam, Corey touched on a couple of things. I think one is the strength of the pipeline as we see that playing out Over time, The success that we've had with DNR, MDR, mid teens growth rate, dollars 400,000,000 of ARR, We're clearly one of the market leaders in that space. That gives us a lot of confidence based on the quality of the product that we have. Then we're investing behind it as well. So take roughly half of that incremental investment for next year is really going to accelerate more that we can do with MDR. I think when you take all of these factors considered and I think Corey touched on it a little bit earlier is we're not going to bake into the plan you know, A large success of exposure to BAN. We're seeing early signs that are very promising. Pipeline growth, the conversion rates and we just have a modest contribution in the plan this year and it really is a wait and see Let's get the ARR that's booked and sold before we really bake it into the guidance or make any changes there.

So I think it's the strength of MDR is going to drive a lot of this.

Mean, the last thing I'll say is we're hyper focused on both looking ahead and looking at different seasonality ranges and so communicating that proactively. Two, we actually ended this year with a much wider guidance range. And we communicated that proactively. Looked ourselves more levers for upside in the business as things move around. So we feel pretty good about it and it is materially different than sort of like the setup of what we described last year. Thank you very much, Adam.

Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Ho with William Blair. Please Go ahead. Hi, good afternoon. Just one question for me.

You talk a little bit about your thoughts on net retention just given these larger deal opportunities and upsell opportunities? And maybe can you contrast that with the opportunity for an uptick in contribution from net new customers? Thank you.

Yes, it's a great question. So look, one of the biggest cycles we're actually seeing in front of us right now is the opportunity to upgrade our installed base. We've never had a better opportunity for cross sell and up sell. I mean, part of what we've done over the last year is add extensions to our products. So that's sort of across our DNR and MDR install base, that's true across our traditional VM install base, We have more cross sell and up sell opportunities than we've actually had before. We've seen good initial pipeline build. Of course, we actually have significant campaigns that actually highlight it in my prepared remarks. For our sales teams to actually upgrade our installed base. But we do expect both over the course of this year and into next year I would just say more robust performance on the expansion business and increases in net ARR as we actually go forward. Thank you very much, Jonathan. Your next question comes from the line of Roger Boyd with UBS.

Great. Thanks for taking the question. Corey, I wanted to come back to the competitive environment in Detection Response and get your perspective on some of the M and A we've seen in that space, particularly with some of the MDR providers acquiring tools like endpoint security. In what ways do you see that kind of influencing the opportunity have on that side of the business?

Thanks. Look, I think it's like I said, it's a fragmented competitive space. You also will see from our prepared remarks that we're investing in the space. We're investing directly. We're also investing in partnerships. In this space. And so I think it's one that it will be an evolving space. We're one of the I'll just say, larger players that actually has very healthy dynamics overall. And you'll see I would just say, if you look at our offering today, we actually sort of like partner included in OEM endpoint technology in there. We have lots of our own core detection technology. We've been extending our cloud detection response technologies There's a lot of complexity there for customers. Most customers cannot manage the complexity of their security operations environment and the volume of data that they actually have. And so I think an integrated solution is the most powerful solution. I would just say if there's one requirement that Trump saw others, is customers cannot ignore critical aspects of monitoring. Believe the customers have to monitor 100% of their environment and we're investing to actually do that and do that well. As you alluded to, others are making that investment but again, it's a very fragmented space and we think our core value proposition holds up well.

Thank you very much.

Your next question comes from the line of Greg Muschikowitz with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Thank you. It's Greg Markowitz from Mizuho. I'll keep it to one as well. Corey, in your prepared remarks, I believe you spoke about any expectation to drive reaccelerated growth in 2025 and 2026.

And midpoint of the 2025 ARR guide does point to one point of accelerate For 2026, obviously, you're not providing the guidance at this time. But directionally speaking, are you expecting additional acceleration in that twenty six year? Yes. Look, the whole setup that we actually have is two things. One, we do think that DNR and our extensions only have actually good long term sustainable growth, Daniel.

We wouldn't invest if we didn't think that there was accelerated growth opportunities The second one that I would just highlight is we have a pretty big expansion opportunity within our installed base. We built out the products last year. But we have to do it. We are anticipating continued long sales cycles. So this is why we're more conservative and thoughtful on the timing. That's why we have the wider ranges. Yes, absolutely. We do expect to see accelerated growth in 2026 off the base of this year. And that's why we're making the investments that we're making It's because we see the opportunities.

And we're investing now to prepare for that. Exactly.

Thank you. Just to clarify, Corey, I apologize. But it sounds as though the reacceleration and again, I realize that this is longer dated question right in terms of 2026, but it sounds like the reacceleration is kind of the 2024 baseline and maybe sort of a wait and see in terms of how 2025 ends No.

I think that we're expecting both the acceleration of '25 over '26. I mean, '25 over '24 and twenty six over '25.

Okay. And again, we're going to provide an Analyst Day later this year. To actually lay out those mid range plans. Well, thank you for the question. It's definitely We have time for one more question. Our final question comes from the line of Brian Essex with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question.

I was wondering if you could share a few thoughts on North America versus of world. And if I just kind of look at the whole year, on a trailing twelve month basis, international revenue accelerated while North America revenue decelerated.

Anything you can share with regard to either macro customer profile, a catch rate, your go to market motion that would maybe help reconcile those growth rates and where do you have the I guess which geographic region either North America, Rapid7 of the world gets you most excited and has you expecting the most contribution as we kind of look into the next couple of years? Yes.

If you look over the last year, it's interesting. So always have to be careful because it moves around from year to year. A couple of years ago, we saw Europe was a challenge. Last year, we actually saw really strength in Europe and APAC.

That really accelerated Also last year, you saw North America, by midway through the year, especially some large organizations just sort of had like their budget cycles were I would say not as strong as we actually expected. Or hoped that they were.

And that was something that we noticed, we talked to others about, and seemed to be a bit of a factor last year. Not expecting macro improvement this year, to be clear, Our strength that we actually see this year, so North America will improve year. That has more to do with the fact that we just have full year of selling and more robust product set. Than it does any change in the overall macro. Keep in mind, we only had partial year of sell in exposure command last year. Had a more limited MDR offering last year. Extended customizable enterprise MDR offering that we recently launched will be available for this year. And so those are the factors that drive it. It's our product suite availability is driving our product overall macro dynamics.

Got it. Anything really that you can take away from the customer profile in Europe that might have led to better growth this year? Or is it more idiosyncratic than that?

Well, I think it's more idiosyncratic. Look, there's a lot of different moving parts. Europe is not a monolith. Look, we saw different trends in Germany versus The UK versus France. So like there was different trends in different geographies, different territories, different industries. So I can't give you a continent level sort of like Synthesize U because that's just not where the trends operate. This is definitely an environment where you have to pay attention to what's happening in specific areas. Like right now, I think Tim called out his script.

Is that in North America, the healthcare sector is under more pressure incrementally this year than it was last year. There's some other sectors that are actually stronger. And so this is one where we just have to be paying much, much more attention to what's happening specific customer environments. And our goal is to actually show up and say, can we actually help you have great security operations I think our team is set up and willing to do that work.

I really appreciate it, Brian. Thanks for the question.

That concludes our Q and A session. Will now turn the conference back over to Cori Thomas Chief Executive Officer for closing remarks.

Thank you so much. Thank you all for joining us today on the conference call. And we look forward to updating you on the progress over the course of the year. Connecting with you later on as we actually do our Analyst Investor Day.

Thank you.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.