Service Corporation International Price & Performance (SCI)

With that out of the way, I will now turn it over Tom Ryans, Chairman and CEO. Thanks, Ali.

Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today. This morning, I'm going to begin my remarks with some high level color on our business performance for the quarter, then provide some greater detail around our funeral and cemetery results and I will then close with some thoughts about our 2025 business and financial outlook. For the fourth quarter, we generated adjusted earnings per share of $1.06 which compared to $0.93 in the prior year. Revenues, gross profit, and comparable margin percentages increased in both the funeral and cemetery segments, contributing $0.09 to adjusted earnings per share growth.

While lower general and administrative expense contributed an additional $0.05 per share resulting in a combined $0.14 earnings per share growth from operating income Below the line, the favorable impact of a lower share count and a slightly lower interest was offset by a higher effective tax rate.

Now let's take a deeper look into the funeral results for the quarter. Total comparable funeral revenues increased over $5,000,000 or about 1% over the prior year quarter as strong core general agency and other revenue growth exceeded declines in core revenue, in SCI Direct non funeral home preneed sales revenue. Comparable core funeral revenue decreased by $9,000,000 or about 2% primarily due to a 4.4% decrease in core funeral services performed. Which was somewhat offset by a healthy 2.7% growth, in the core average revenue per served This core average revenue growth was achieved despite a modest increase of 100 basis points in the core cremation rate. SCI Direct non funeral home revenue decreased by over $4,000,000 driven primarily by a $6,000,000 decline in non funeral home preneed sales revenue. As a result of the anticipated negative effect of operational changes to defer merchandise deliveries. This was partially offset by growth in general agency commissions as we are in the process of switching from a trust to an insurance funded preneed model. This net decline from preneed sales revenue was slightly offset by a $2,000,000 increase in non funeral home revenue. Generated by a 10% improvement in average revenue per service from the effect of higher value contracts maturing from the backlog.

Certain of these contracts now include merchandise, or travel protection that more recently was deferred at the time of sale This healthy average revenue per service growth should continue as more contracts with merchandise and travel protection mature over the coming years. For general agency and other revenue, grew by an impressive $19,000,000 primarily due to growth in general agency revenue driven by higher average commission rates, derived from our new preneed insurance marketing as well as the effect of selling a larger percentage of underwritten insurance products which carry higher commission rates versus a flex or a non underwritten product. Funeral gross profit increased by about $4,000,000 while the gross profit percentage increased by 40 basis points just about 22%. This increase was the result of a modest revenue increase combined with managing fixed costs to about a 1% increase for the quarter. Frannie funeral sales production decreased by $27,000,000 or about 9% over the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. Four preneed funeral sales production decreased by $14,000,000 compared primarily due to the transition to our new preneed insurance provider during the back half of twenty twenty four. We expect to continue to see increased underwritten insurance product sales production as our counselors focus on raising customer awareness of the benefits of a fully insured product.

We anticipate comparable core preneed sales production to normalize later in the spring or early summer months. Non funeral home preneed sales production decreased $13,000,000 or 20% as SCI Direct transitions from the sale of Trust to insurance funded preneed contracts. This transition required many of our sales counselors to go through extensive training and obtain insurance licenses and change the payment terms for customers financing their preneed all of which contributed to a temporary slowdown in sales. As of today, we have made the transition in markets that represent 75% our production So this too should stabilize over the next few months and begin to grow again probably beginning in the second half of 2025. Now shifting to cemetery. Comparable cemetery revenue increased by $20,000,000 or about 4%.

Core revenue was primarily responsible for the increase as it grew by $21,000,000 over the prior year quarter. Higher recognized preneed property revenues accounted for $14,000,000 of this increase generated by a combination of higher printing cemetery sales production and higher preneed cemetery sales recognition rates. As completed construction projects triggered the recognition of prior period sales in the fourth quarter. Recognized preneed merchandise and service revenue accounted for an additional $5,000,000 of core revenue growth. As contracts with a higher sales average are being delivered out of the backlog. The backlog value has been enhanced by cumulative merchandise trust fund earnings over the life of the contract Comparable printing inventory sales production increased by $7,000,000 or about 2% primarily due to an increase in large sales while our core production was relatively flat, Military gross profits in the quarter increased by $14,000,000 and the gross profit percentage increased by 150 basis points. Generating an operating margin percentage of 36%. The 4% revenue growth which includes an increase in higher margin merchandise and service trust fund income was slightly offset by a 4% increase in our fixed costs impacted by increased maintenance costs primarily due to damages incurred at locations impacted by natural [indiscernible] during the quarter.

Now let's shift to discussion about our outlook for 2025. As you saw in our earnings release, we provided a normalized earnings per share guidance range of $3.7 to $4 for 2025. For a midpoint of $3.85 The 2025 range would be 5% to 13% growth with a 9% growth at the midpoint. We anticipate that the effective tax rate 2025 will be about 25.5% one hundred and eighty basis points higher than 2024. So by neutralizing the tax effect, we would be guiding to a 12% growth at the midpoint of our range versus the current guidance midpoint of 9%. Within our Funeral segment, we expect flat to slightly down funeral volume compared to 2024. Growing at inflationary rates, slightly negated by the effect of a modest cremation mix increase. We do expect to see higher general agency revenue generated from the favorable impact of our new insurance agreement. Which should drive healthy profit growth for the Funeral segment. Increasing the gross margin percentage by 80 basis points to 120 basis points.

We expect preneed funeral production to be slightly lower in 2025. As we continue the transition of SEI Direct and as we focus on increasing the underwritten insurance product sales in our core channel. While down for the year, for some perspective, the $1,200,000,000 of free need funeral sales production this year is 27% higher than 2019.

Or a 5% compounded growth rate over the last five years. As we think out to 2026, we would expect preneed funeral sales production to return to low to mid single digit percentage growth rate. For the cemetery segment, we anticipate that we can grow 2% to 3%.

Continued focus on managing inflationary costs should result in reasonable segment profit dollar growth while maintaining our impressive gross margin percentages, as compared to 2024. [indiscernible] Below the line, from slightly lower interest expense and a lower share count that will be negated by the higher effective tax rate caused by the loss of deductibility of excess tax benefits from stock option exercise. In conclusion, I want to acknowledge and thank the entire SBI team. For their daily commitment to our customers our communities Your dedication is the foundation of our Thank you. For making a difference every day With that operator, I'll now turn it over to Eric. Good morning, everyone. Sequentially, I'm going to do exactly what Tom just did. I'm going to start by taking a moment to really extend my deepest gratitude to each of our 25,000 plus dedicated associates. Your unwavering commitment and exceptional service continued to make a profound impact on the lives of the families we serve. This last year in 2024, our team cared for almost 700,000 families, during some of their most challenging life moments as well as provide a peace of mind through pre need arrangements. Thank you for your tireless dedication to delivering service excellence to our customers as well as our community.

So with that, I'm going to shift to the financial part of this and talk about our cash flow results and capital investments for the fourth quarter. I'm going to follow-up by a recap of our full year performance in 2024 then provide an outlook of 2025 cash flow in those capital investments. And then we'll conclude with an update on our overall financial physician So in the fourth quarter, we generated impressive adjusted operating cash flow of $268,000,000 This did exceed our expectations and as high end of our guidance range for the quarter. Let me give you a little bit color and break this down a little bit. Adjusted operating cash flow was positively impacted by higher operating income of about $20,000,000 that Tom just discussed.

Highlighting the strength in our underlying funeral and cemetery operations during the quarter. Cash interest was also lower by about $12,000,000 This is really just a timing issue associated with the bond finance that we completed this past September. Offsetting these favorable impacts was a $27,000,000 use of cash resulting from an additional payroll cycle in the current year quarter compared to the prior year. Again, this happens from time to time with timing of our payroll funding. Additionally, preneed and other working capital resulted in a combined use of about $15,000,000 in the quarter. So in total, we finished 2024 very strong with adjusted operating cash flow of just over $975,000,000 which is above the high end of our most recent annual guidance range which again was $940,000,000 to $960,000,000 So continuing on in the fourth quarter, We invested $140,000,000 into our current locations, new growth opportunities business acquisitions, and real estate. We invested $102,000,000 of maintenance capital back in our current business.

With $42,000,000 allocated to valuable cemetery development projects, dollars 43,000,000 of the same amount into our funeral and cemetery location and $16,000,000 into our digital strategy and other corporate investments. For the full year, we invested a total of $348,000,000 of maintenance CapEx. Which was up $23,000,000 from both the prior year and the high end of our guidance range as we've dedicated a portion of the strong cash flow during this quarter toward reinvestment into the maintenance of our funeral and cemetery [indiscernible] We also invested about $19,000,000 of growth capital in the quarter towards the purchase of real estate construction of new funeral and the expansion of existing funeral homes and cemeteries. For the full year, this brought the total growth capital spend to over $100,000,000 which was up about $9,000,000 from 2023 as we identified meaningful opportunities to invest in Greenfield Cemetery and funeral projects. Let's talk a little bit about acquisitions. So we invested $19,000,000 into business acquisitions in the fourth quarter. In total, we finished the full year with an impressive $181,000,000 of acquisition spend.

As I noted in our November earnings call, acquisition spend this year has outpaced our annual guidance range of $75,000,000 to $125,000,000 and we are thrilled about these high quality funeral homes and cemeteries joining our company and we are happy to welcome all of these new associates to the SCI family. Let's move on to capital investments.

We returned $100,000,000 of capital to shareholders in the quarter.

Through $43,000,000 of dividends and $56,000,000 of share repurchases. We repurchased just under 1,000,000 shares at an average price of $79 during the quarter. For the full year, we returned $428,000,000 to our shareholders.

Through $174,000,000 of dividends, and just over $250,000,000 of share repurchases. This brings the number of shares outstanding to just under 145,000,000 shares at the end of the year. Subsequently, have completed $28,000,000 of share repurchases at an average price of $78 so far during 2025. So I'd like to shift to the 2025 outlook, but before I go there, I just want to make a brief comment about our corporate G and A expense during the quarter. Year over year corporate G and A expense decreased $30,000,000 in the quarter to about $15,000,000 This was primarily a result of reducing our California legal reserve made in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty two by about $20,000,000 as the primary claim period expired during the quarter. When we exclude this impact, G and A expenses still declined about $10,000,000 quarter over quarter and this was primarily resulting due to differences in timing of long term incentive compensation expenses compared to the prior year. When we look forward to 2025, we expect that corporate G and A will average about $3,941,000,000 dollars a But keep in mind, there may be some variability in our long term incentive compensation plans that could push us above or below this quarterly range during a particular Let's talk about 2025 in more detail.

Our 2025 adjusted operating cash flow guidance range is $830,000,000 to $890,000,000 with a midpoint of $860,000,000 The midpoint of this range assumes the following: We expect our cash earnings at the midpoint of our EPS guidance range to grow about $65,000,000 in the underlying funeral and cemetery operation. Cash taxes were generally flat in fourth quarter and only about $20,000,000 for the full year of 2024. But as we have discussed several times over the last six quarters, we expect our cash taxes to normalize 2025 by about $150,000,000 as a benefit we received related to a change in tax accounting method on the timing of cemetery property revenue recognition has been fully realized at this point in time. Therefore, along with the expectation of higher earnings, we are projecting total cash taxes will increase to about $175,000,000 during 2025.

We also anticipate an effective tax rate of 25% to 26% per which is about 100 basis points higher than prior years, as we expect that excess tax benefits from stock outs and exercises related to executive compensation will no longer be available to us.

While we expect a modest decline in interest expense this year on lower rates, We also anticipate the timing impact of the semi annual interest payments associated with our September 2024 bond transaction to result in about $5,000,000 of higher cash interest this year. And then finally, we anticipate having a normalized net use of working capital of probably around $20,000,000 driven primarily by growth in preneed sales and timing of payables partially offset by the timing of payroll and incentive compensation payments during 2025. Let's talk about investing capital this year. We expect maintenance CapEx to actually decrease this year to $315,000,000 dollars from the higher levels seen in 2024. Of this target spend, we expect to invest about $130,000,000 in improving our funeral homes and cemeteries, $160,000,000 into cemetery development projects with the standard high rates of returns, and $25,000,000 into our digital strategy investments and other corporate investments. We also expect to invest $75,000,000 to $125,000,000 towards This is in line with our normal annual acquisition spend target that we've talked about many times before. In addition to maintenance CapEx and acquisition targets, we also plan to invest roughly $70,000,000 to $80,000,000 of growth capital on new funeral home construction and real estate opportunities which together drive low to mid teen after tax IRRs.

Finally, as we've done over the last twenty years, we plan to continue returning capital to our shareholders through dividends, and our share buyback program in a consistent and disciplined manner absent other higher return investment opportunities. So before I conclude the remarks, I'm going to give you a few comments on our financial We have a very attractive and manageable debt maturity profile with tremendous At the end of the 2024, liquidity totaled about $1,600,000,000 consistent with approximately $220,000,000 of cash on hand plus a little over $1,300,000,000 available on our long term bank credit facility. Our leverage began the fourth quarter at just under 3.8 times declining to about 3.65 at the end of twenty twenty four, which is in the lower end of our long term leverage target range of 3.5 times to four times. In conclusion, our strong balance sheet enhanced liquidity position and predictable cash flow stream continues to support all of these capital investment in our total capital investment program. Which gives us remarkable flexibility to invest opportunistically for the long term benefit of SEI, our associates, and our shareholders. Lastly, again, we are most proud of the way we served our customers this year and into the future in their greatest time of need for which I'd like to again thank the entire SGI team.

So operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. With that, I'd like to turn it back over to you for our question and answer period.

Thank you. The first question comes from John Ransom of Raymond James. Go ahead please.

Hey, good morning. I'm looking forward to seeing you guys a couple of weeks in Orlando. But Tom, the spinning key teacups are down. So you're you might Eric might be disappointed Look, I'm going to try to do some math, which is always dangerous, but we're getting 25 and then the acquisition timing, we're getting something like a $40,000,000 to $45,000,000 pretax benefit from those two. Is that in the ballpark?

I think looking at the numbers, it's probably a little high, but not dramatically off.

Yes.

Okay. Probably a little higher than what we had at our midpoint.

Okay. And then just looking at the long term funeral pricing algo, I mean, you've got stuff coming out of the backlog at a higher price point, you've got cremation mix, you've got other stuff. Is that is this just kind of settling into a CPI like price increase when you net all that stuff together? And are you seeing you implying and I don't know that you are, but is there some sign that maybe the cremation mix effect is starting to taper off a little bit Take off in a higher rate you're saying?

Meaning is it still that 100 bps to 150 bps long term or is that going to hit a ceiling at some point where it doesn't it isn't in this much of a drag?

Yes, I think it will definitely begin to slow. I mean, that's what we're kind of more likely to be closer to the 100 basis points than 150.

And again, But yes, that is fair to say. And think on your pricing question, the same, I do think CPI is a fair way to how we look at pricing. From a backlog perspective and And I think the real opportunity to step on the gas a little bit as we're selling more preneed now with the general agency commissions of the way they are that that's inability for us to to drive future profitability.

Right. And so lastly, I just kind of step back and look at your funeral and pre need revenue growth. It's probably let's call it again CPI, so call that 3%. So to grow at 5% EBIT margins have to do a little more work. Is that how you're seeing it?

Yes. I think I think again, we expect that when we have the volume impact from the demographics that are in front of us, that you'll begin to see that revenue growth on the funeral side tip into the 3%, 451% incremental revenue growth As you know, the incremental profit is pretty big. So So we see a future of like we talked about next year, we think funeral margins percentages go up And I would expect that We would see that continue to occur as the demographic impact takes hold.

Yes. So just said another way and you can't make it too obvious for me obviously is that you think '24 is kind of the last year of the COVID pull through and it gets more normalized starting next year '26?

I think there's still some hangover pull through because there'll be it's just a diminishing amount I think the other factors take over market share demographics that those things will offset what little impact COVID will continue to have Okay.

The next question comes from A. J. Rice of UBS. Go ahead please.

Hi everybody. I wondered if I could maybe ask a couple of questions here. You had some volatility again on the funeral volumes and comparable cases year to year and we saw that in the second quarter as well. I wonder if you've been able to drill down and is this just ebb and flow you get from month to month or is there anything going on there And it sounds like maybe you've backed off a little bit in your expectation for 'twenty five case growth to now sort of flat to slightly down versus flat to slightly up.

Is that because of what we've seen this year? Yes. I think that's correct. We're just seeing a lessened impact, what I'll call the ripple effect of COVID, the good news for The United States and everybody is the life expectation numbers are are going back up. And so all the categories that were indirectly affected going back to driving desks, suicide overdose a lot of those numbers are going the other way, thank goodness. And so I think that's got a little residual effect that's got us to thinking we could still definitely achieve flat volume for 2025. But there's also a pretty good There's probably a good expectation that could be slightly down. So That's we have changed it.

It is kind of a month to month and we see some volatility within months. I think if you take the fourth quarter of this year, I think we were October was like down two. December was down two, November is down six, right? So you get some lumpiness as you get through these quarters and And I think that's actually just a continued factor of this disruption from COVID that makes it a little less predictable. Than it has been historically.

Okay.

I want to delve into this switching from trust to preneed to the insurance sales.

I know you threw out 75%. I didn't know is that you think that you'll ultimately settle out with 75% of your preneed funeral sales being insurance related as you make this transition.

Yes, I guess that's a question. Yes, A. J. So that I probably confused you a bit on this.

We're not talking about the 75%, it's the specifically related to SCI Direct.

Remember SCI Direct was selling 100% trust. And we're converting state by state over time And what I meant by the 75% is that the states that historically have produced 75% of our production We've now converted And so by having converted, we're beginning to compare back against insurance producing quarter. So So I think we're kind of bottoming out if that makes any sense from a production perspective and going back up. And we do still have 25% of the production. Those states still need to convert this year. And that's why I was saying, I think over the coming months, you'll see it stabilize As you get to the back half of the year, you should see SCI Direct continue to grow. [indiscernible] on the core side, it's slightly different. We've been selling insurance predominantly, although we sold some trust product too, but we've converted to a to a new vendor and remember, when we have our new partner, one of the things that we were trying to do is increase the number of sales production or I should say the number of contracts that have underwritten insurance product. Because what you could do is you could sell a flex product or a trust product that doesn't provide the protection to the consumer.

And sometimes the consumer thinks they have protection and they may not. Because it's in the form of an insurance product, but it was a flex product So we're trying to eliminate that confusion that could happen as a at the time of need. And get people to write underwritten insurance production And we're seeing some success. We're actually growing that component and we anticipate that again those production levels can begin to climb back up We'll probably see again some some mix of trust, but probably a higher mix of insurance than we historically have sold. So two channels, kind of two different reasons and sorry for the long explanation.

No, that's good because I think I did misunderstand it. When you made the conversion, to this new contract, I think you talked about potentially having about $900,000,000 in business that you would move over annual business. Is that still the number with all the puts and takes? Or do you think it's a bigger number than that now at this point?

Well, if you add in SCI Direct, we're running at a $1,200,000,000 annual I think of that as $900,000,000 from core and $300,000,000 from from SEI Direct. Remember, SEI Direct didn't write insurance [indiscernible] in that regard, we're going to write a lot more insurance And again, The commission rates vary depending on the type of product sold. So it's it's hard to predict exactly what it's going to be, but But overall, we've got better general latency commission rates that should be worked our favor. And again, if we sell better products to younger people, you're going to get higher commissions if you sell the older lower commissions insurance commission rates were Okay. Maybe just one final one for me. The comment on the deals that you're guiding for $75,000,000 to $125,000,000 of acquisitions this year. I think you came into last year, if I remember right, with a similar target, but ended up at 181 which obviously is a positive.

Is there any comment about the pipeline? Is the pipeline Still quite robust or is that $75,000,000 to $125,000,000 really reflective of what you see in the pipeline right now?

A. J, this is Eric. I would say the pipeline continues to be robust. And if you remember, we've been saying that really kind of coming out of COVID. But these deals ebb and flow, You have to make sure that it's a win win situation with the independent family and organization that is ready and wants to raise their hand for us sometimes you have a start and stop in those situations. Sometimes it takes a lot longer These are sometimes second, third, fourth generation families that need to align accordingly and all want to to create the liquidity event.

So the pipeline has been strong.

And but in terms of closing the deals, it's going to ebb and flow. Based on that, just as strong as I said last year that end up coming to fruition in terms of the timing closing, I still am just as excited this year with the strength of the pipeline So we're going to give you an initial guidance of $75,000,000 to 125,000,000 If it ebbs and flows in the right direction based on the strength of the pipeline, I would hope we could exceed that again this year like we did last year But again a little bit of this is we want a win win situation. We're not in a situation where we are going to force people to sell, we wanted to that family in that organization to be very excited about joining us and have all their ducks in the row and ready. All right. That sounds good. Thanks so much.

Our next question comes from Johanna Gajuk of Bank of America. Go ahead please. Hey, good morning. Thanks so much for taking the questions here. So a couple of Some topics. So I guess first maybe a little more color on this funeral volume outlook. I appreciate it could be very lumpy month to month, I guess any comments you might be able to give us in terms of January? It sounds like November was the weak month, but then I guess December maybe a little bit. So down year over year, but like how is January trending? Sure, Jana. January on the funeral volume side, it down just about 3%. Which wasn't very far off our expectation quite honestly, but expected a a tough comparison So that's where we are and we're too early to sell.

All right. Because you also made it sound like you don't think that this is some sort of like a higher headwind from the pull forward effect, it could be just like some other bigger factors going on. Is there anything else you might be able to lean into when you look at these numbers in terms of what why this November was such a weak month or is it some sort of like you said volatility or yes or is it more like the macro stuff and the pull forward?

Yes, I think it's a little of the pull forward. And like I said, I guess it's not technically the pull forward when I say we saw extended periods of excess deaths that had occurred maybe longer than other people anticipated and you couldn't explain why, right? You just had you knew these categories of deaths are down. It could be cancer screenings.

It could be overdose, all these different things, mental health issues, And now I think categorically all the data that we're looking at is saying that the country is kind of healing. Which is a good thing. And so maybe normalizing back and that's the piece that's probably moved us a little bit is to say, hey, in a good way, those things are normalizing again. And now the factors that we would anticipate to contribute to our growth, which would be our strong Preeti backlog, our competitive position in the markets to grow market share then just the general aging of America that those three things will begin to be the more dominant [indiscernible] Talking point as we go forward.

And we'll see less and less COVID impact less and less excess deaths conversation. So that's kind of where we are and And again, we feel pretty good about where we are. We think it could be slightly down, it could be flat. I mean, may surprise us to be up slightly, but it's pretty hard to predict right now and we haven't seen a real impact from the flu season yet. We hear a lot about the flu, but really hadn't seen it I'd say in our numbers.

Right. Yeah. Because I mean from hearing hospitals talk about Q4 was like a year over year lower activity on the flu, but I guess January is tracking higher. So I guess see what that means for your business. So another topic, I guess, around just In Q1, the wildfires in California, it's just Los Angeles Do you assume any impact of that lingering for when it comes to your Rose Hills location from those wildfires around [indiscernible] Yes. So first of all, we've had some employees that are impacted by this and that's been our primary concern is their health and safety and getting them back to some whatever form of normalization can occur So that's been mission number one. And I'd say as it relates to sales, it surely had an impact temporarily. During the month, I think it's a distraction and people just getting displaced from their homes and all the like. So as that heals, aren't just our thoughts are as it relates to Preneed Cemetery, It's a deferral and not a loss sale. So So we think while there is some impact in January and probably February, that again as things normalize, we'll have the opportunity sections that we'll be opening up this year and should have a return to normalcy and some growth as of as it relates to California, but our thoughts are with everybody there as they continue to deal with an incredibly disruptive event [indiscernible] dislocated.

So hopefully that takes maybe some time. But when it comes to your preparations there, I guess, you mentioned opening avenue sections because last time you talked about was a section that's being developed, but that kind of blocked off access to some other sections. So where are you on that front? Like is everything kind of now open up and ready for the traffic come through I think it's on schedule to be. I don't think everything is there yet, but we would anticipate to have new sections that open up and the opportunity to have some of that great great sections open up and to our consumers. So yes, that's still scheduled to happen on Lake The Fire We'll have any disruption there.

Okay. And if I may squeeze the last one. So those are color like what was the driver for doing it now and what exactly was happening? Thanks, Joanna. This is Eric.

The restructuring charge is a little over $11,000,000 I think the thing that you have to realize is culturally as you've seen us over the past years [indiscernible] is really trying to manage this fixed cost structure in a high inflationary environment and we've you're starting to see that in the numbers. As you see the margins you see the fixed costs on the funeral side, the fixed costs on the cemetery side, really start to be managed well and the fruits of our labor are probably there over the several years coming out of COVID, trying to manage it. This restructuring charge is primarily related to our corporate and home office and back office functions. It really has nothing to do with the field. Anytime that we go through and try to get better This is one of those opportunities where we were looking at some things to introduce technology and to always strive to get better and more efficient And it kind of crescendoed into one particular quarter, which caused it to more or less a restructuring charge. You're good. You would see these things under the radar, but they're not big enough to just [indiscernible] And call our restructuring charge based on our continuous process improvement type mentality, but this quarter it did.

And so of $11,000,000 I would call it 80% to 90% cash. And I would say that probably half of that is some cash savings in 2025 and that's Describe it.

Great. That's very helpful. Thanks for this last comment. Appreciate for taking the question.

The next question comes from Scott Schneeberger of Oppenheimer. Go ahead please. Hey guys, good morning. It's Daniel on for Scott.

Could you elaborate a little bit please on the outlook for cemetery preneed sales in terms of how you think about large sales activity versus the volume component?

Sure. I think for next year, what we've been looking at again, we've got it to kind of this low single digit percentage growth.

And the way we're thinking about that is we'd anticipate the large sales are hard to predict as you know. So our anticipation is those would be relatively flat compared to the prior year. And so the growth is really going to come from the core production component of cemetery sales.

Got it. And the recognition rate looked a bit elevated in the fourth quarter. Could you speak to how you think about that 2025. As well as some perspective on cemetery margins for next year? Sure, Daniel.

It was higher than 100% during the quarter and you're going to see that at certain periods of time. We try to get our projects done and spend the capital equally but it does tend to as projects get started in the summer months, across the entire network, it tends to kind of peak a little bit in the fourth quarter and that's why you always have traditionally seen it a little bit higher.

On the global basis for the entire year, it's in the mid to high 90s.

I like that guide. Frankly for 2025. I think it's more of the same. I think we're going to spend about $160,000,000 in the cemetery development area.

There are high return projects. We love those projects. And I think the recognition rate will be somewhere between 95100% or maybe the mid-90s.

In terms of margins, as we get back to growing printing cemetery sales in the low to mid single digits, you're going to see some type of margin expansion that we've seen. But I still think it's probably a low ish kind of 30% area that you're going to see for 2025.

Maybe a little bit above, maybe flat, maybe a little bit above. 2024 levels because we still have a little bit of inflationary pressure, especially in the cemetery maintenance area.

That still continues to come over, although we're doing a lot better job managing that.

But generally, you're going to see sometime low approaching mid-30s over the next couple of years in cemetery.

Great. Thank you so much.

Our next question comes from Tobey Sommer of Truist Securities.

Go ahead please.

You give us an update on your expectations for the funeral rule and kind of what you're hearing from your government people? [indiscernible] so much going on in Jovi in that world, right? Quite know what to say.

Don't know anything that you don't know with the volatility that's happening right now with the change out of the situation in Washington.

What I will tell you is we haven't heard anything specific related to the funeral roll.

Since November or since the change out of the administration. We continue to think be supportive of the funeral roll, but we as you know, do not think some of the things that were proposed are going to have a material effect in any way to our company. And a lot of the things we think are good business practices perhaps and we're well on the way of implementing those intelligently by market and uniquely based on what we think the value proposition is for a certain prices online and experiences online, our focus is on the customer and our focus is on the customer's digital experience. And maximizing that and that's the good business practice and we'll continue to do so.

And if the FTC does something that changes that, I still don't think it's going to materially affect our business model as we move Thank you. Within cemetery, how is your expenses trending in particular labor and do you think that that sort of comps year over year? Is that tailwind or headwind?

You're going to have labor pressure always, but it's definitely less than labor pressure that we've seen and talked about during the COVID years and coming out of the out of the COVID years, When you think about Labor, it's a $750,000,000 to $800,000,000 spend for our company all in with benefits across all the 25,000 associates that we have.

A lot of the pressure came over the past couple of years in the lower tiers of the labor market which particularly would impact cemetery and us operationally trying to take care of 35,000 acres of cemetery property that we have And so that was some of the pressure that we saw I think you're continuing to see mid single digit percentage pressure in labor on the cemetery side and it's more lower single digit percentage on the funeral side. Right now, but both of those are feel a lot better than they did several quarters ago or a couple of years ago coming out COVID that we described to you. Thank you. If I could sneak a last one in. From a a baby boomer perspective, what do you think that trend is likely to do in terms of incremental service volumes And what's your best forecast for when it starts to fold into Well, first baby boomers turn 80 next year. And so we think within I'd say the window of the next few years that you'll begin to see an incremental impact really difficult to predict how that's going to roll out But I do think it's kind of a stair step, a slow stair step over as you think about the next three to five to ten years, but that's the way we're thinking about it.

With taking historical trends into consideration.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Parker Snare of Raymond James. Go ahead please. We lost Parker operator. We lost Parker, yes. Well, we just lost Parker. Did we want to wrap up the Q and A?

Sure. That'd be great. I want to thank everybody for participating on the call today. We look forward to speaking to you again in April. Have a great week and weekend.

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