TreeHouse Foods, Inc. Price & Performance (THS)

Good morning and thank you for joining us today. Earlier this morning, we issued our earnings release and posted our earnings deck, both of which are available in the Investor Relations section of our website at treehousefoods.com TreeHouse. Before we begin, we would like to advise you that all forward looking statements made today's call are intended to fall within the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Statements are based on current expectations and projections and involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from our forward looking statements. Information concerning those risks is contained in the company's filings with the SEC. A reconciliation of non GAAP measures to their most direct comparable GAAP measures can be found in the release and the appendix tables of today's earnings deck. With that, let me now turn the call over to our Chairman, CEO and President, Mr. Steve Oakland. Thank you, Matt. Good morning, everyone. Today, I will share with you our fourth quarter and full year 2024, financial results. As well as provide our initial 2025 guidance. Before we get to the results, I'd like to update you on a couple of recent events.

First, the voluntary recall of frozen griddle products which occurred last quarter, As you can see on Slide four, TreeHouse Foods initiated the recall of products made in our Brantford, Ontario facility. Out of a commitment to food safety and quality. Recall was initiated As a result, of the rigorous quality assurance testing of our products made at the facility. We temporarily closed the facility to conduct the deep cleaning sanitation, and hygienic restoration. The facility resumed shipping products in recent weeks. In line with our expectation. And we anticipate no significant financial contribution from Griddle in the first quarter. Second, in January, we completed the purchase of Harris Tea. Which is outlined on Slide five. I'm pleased to welcome the Harris Teat team to TreeHouse Foods. The transaction strengthens our competitive positioning in the fast growing private label tea category and adds unique blending and sourcing capabilities that customers desire. Building upon our category leadership and enhancing our position. Through additional depth and scale. [indiscernible] Acquisition includes Harris Tease manufacturing facilities, in Morristown, New Jersey Marietta, Georgia. And provides vertical integration across the company's existing T business. Turning now to a brief summary of our fourth quarter and fiscal year results on Slide six.

Fourth quarter adjusted net sales of $911,400,000 and adjusted EBITDA of $118,300,000 were both in line with our expectation. We drove an improvement our volume and mix and posted almost 4% growth. In the period. Amidst voluntary recall related disruptions in our supply chain, we executed well to achieve significant cost savings. Securing anticipated procurement savings which provided the benefits we expected this quarter. Looking at fiscal year twenty twenty four, adjusted net sales of $3,380,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA of $337,000,000 were also in line with our updated expectations. We delivered flattish volume and mix for the year despite our supply chain challenges. Let's take a closer look at the consumer trends we experienced during the fourth quarter in the categories in which TreeHouse operate. Detailed on Slide seven. Private brand unit sales experienced a rather sharp deceleration during the quarter we believe this slowdown was a result of continued macro pressure that has impacted the broader food and beverage market. We are experiencing similar trends thus far in Q1. And we have planned our 2025 business accordingly. Despite the macro trends, I am pleased to report that overall private label industry dynamics remain favorable. As we have illustrated on Slide eight, price gaps are healthy and maintain their historical cadence during the holiday period.

Despite weaker consumption private brands maintain share. As it relates to promotion levels, we once again saw the traditional pattern of gradual increases as the calendar year progressed. Looking ahead, we believe an increase in promotional activity is likely. Given industry volume softness and overall consumption patterns, and we have planned accordingly. Promotions are generally still below historic levels seen prior to the pandemic. And we remain comfortable with the expected levels of promotions in our categories, Moving to Slide nine, private brands have been consistently gaining share over the last two decades. Which we believe will continue over the long term, TreeHouse remains attractively positioned at the intersection of two incredibly powerful long term consumer trends. The growth of private brand groceries in North America and the consumers' love of snacking. Continuing with the discussion of the long term opportunity on Slide 10. It's clear that many grocery retailers also see further runway for growth. In private brands. And are making their own strategic investments accordingly. Walmart and Albertsons both launched new private label brands in 2024. Costco's Kirkland brand is well established globally. And Aldi continues its store base expansion across The U. S. With an assortment that's focused almost exclusively on private brands.

The retailer emphasis underscores the opportunity available to TreeHouse to partner with our retail customers gain share and create value over the long term. I will conclude by providing additional context as to how we plan to manage the business in 2025. Which incorporates the challenging macro food trends and slower category growth. We will continue to focus on what we can control as an organization. Primarily, the performance of our supply chain and our cost structure. While we have made progress improving our operations, we still have a significant opportunity to improve our execution and consistency. As we begin 2025, we are sharply focused on executing what you see outlined on Slide 11. We have visibility to delivering our commitment of $250,000,000 of gross supply chain savings through 2027. We are focusing on optimizing costs across our supply chain network to drive improved profitability. I'm confident that through our margin management function, we can improve the profitability of our current business. As well as sharpen our competitiveness as we work to win new business this year. We will allocate our supply chain capacity to the most attractive mix of opportunities to best drive profitability for both TreeHouse and our customers.

We have good line of sight to some additional near term opportunities to drive net sales and cash flow which are highlighted on Slide 12. First, we have the opportunity to improve production efficiency at our Cambridge facility which despite significant improvement in 2024 is still not yet in line with our long term expectations. And second, we are on our way to a resolution of the frozen grill recall that is impacting our first half. With the glide path progressing as planned. Third, our coffee business will begin to realize cost synergies this year as we complete the needed investments in the facility that we acquired. Which should bolster our coffee margin capability. And finally, our level of growth CapEx is going to moderate moving forward. As we complete some carryover projects from last year. With that, I will now turn the call over to Pat for further detail on our fourth quarter results Pat? Thanks, Steve, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to start by expressing my gratitude to the entire TreeHouse team for a solid close to the year. I am confident in our plans heading into 2025. I'll start with a summary of our fourth quarter results on Slide 13.

Adjusted net sales of 911,400,000.0 and adjusted EBITDA of $118,300,000 dollars both improved versus the prior year in line with our expectations. Progress on procurement savings drove stronger adjusted gross margin performance. Adjusted EBITDA margin rose to 13%. Let me walk through these results in greater detail. On Slide 14, we've provided a look at our year over year net sales drivers.

Our adjusted net sales increased of 0.2% was primarily driven by volume and mix, due to strong performance in eight of our top 10 categories. Led by pretzels, in store bakery, cookies and broth. This positive volume and mix contribution facility restoration provided a drag of 2.8%. Pricing was a headwind about 70 basis points due to targeted commodity driven pricing adjustments, as we expected. Finally, foreign currency provided a drag of 10 basis points. Moving to Slide 15, I'll walk you through our profit drivers. Volume and mix including absorption had no impact in the quarter. PNOC or pricing net of commodities was a drag of 23,000,000 as expected. Which was driven by higher commodity costs, and targeted pricing investments. Next, operations and supply chain provided a $29,000,000 benefit year over year driven by supply chain cost savings primarily related to our procurement initiatives. In 2024, we achieved $60,000,000 in gross savings.

Lastly, SG and A and other provided a benefit of $4,000,000 year over year driven by expense management and freight costs. Moving on to a summary of our capital allocation strategy on Slide 16. We remain focused on deploying capital in a manner that enhances returns for shareholders. We have been balanced in our approach over the past three years with a relatively even split between our strategic priorities. Our first priority remains investing in our business, which we do organically through CapEx. And inorganically by strategically adding depth and capabilities, as illustrated by our recent acquisition of Harris Tea.

We will continue to maintain our balance sheet and execute on our share repurchase program and we have the cash on hand to do so. In 2024, we returned roughly $150,000,000 to shareholders, through our share repurchase program. As we continue in 2025, we will remain disciplined looking at every possible capital deployment decision by evaluating risk adjusted returns. Now turning to our outlook for 2025. I'd like to spend a few moments framing how we are thinking about the year on Slide 17. We continue to see a challenging macro food environment As it relates to our top line outlook, there are a few factors to consider in our 2025 guidance. For adjusted net sales. In a range of $3.34 to 3,400,000,000.0 or approximately flat at the midpoint. Volume and mix are expected to decline due to a couple of factors. Organic volume mix are expected to decline approximately [indiscernible] Their Harris Tea volume benefit is expected to be offset by our previously announced decision to exit Ready to Drink business. And other margin management actions along with the impact of the frozen griddle product recall. We expect that commodity related pricing will be an approximately 1% benefit in 2025. [indiscernible] Moving to profitability.

We expect adjusted EBITDA in a range of $345,000,000 to $375,000,000 in 2025. We are confident in the progress that we've made in implementing our supply chain savings initiatives. And believe we are on track to deliver continued cost savings in 2025.

Additionally, we have made margin management a priority in the coming year and are executing on this strategy as we speak. We expect free cash flow of at least $130,000,000 driven by improved profitability. Finally, we anticipate net interest expense in a range of $80,000,000 to $90,000,000 and capital expenditures of approximately $125,000,000 which should continue to move lower as we move beyond a multiyear investment period in both capacity and cost improvement. With regard to the first quarter, we are expecting adjusted net sales in a range dollars to $800,000,000 which represents a year over year decline of approximately 3.5%. At the midpoint. Volume and mix are expected to decline The Harris Tea volume benefit will be more than offset by the one time In terms of profitability, we expect adjusted EBITDA at a range of $38,000,000 to $46,000,000 With that, I'll turn it back over to Steve for closing remarks. [indiscernible] Thanks, Pat. 2024 was a difficult year for the food industry and TreeHouse TreeHouse. I'd like to thank the team for managing the business While we stand to benefit from our categories returning to their historic growth rate, I continue to believe TreeHouse has meaningful margin expansion opportunity.

We have been implementing near term strategies to enhance value that are within our control. These include several efficiency opportunities across our supply chain, and our overall cost structure. That should drive improvement in the near term. As we head into 2025, we are focused on strengthening the foundation of our supply chain and margin management initiatives. Restoring production levels in key categories and pursuing profitable new business. Additionally, as we move through next year, and conclude some carryover growth projects, We will begin a multiyear glide path to lower the levels of CapEx which will drive higher free cash flow conversion. These efforts should drive improved profitability and cash flow regardless of the macro headwind. With that, will turn the call over to the operator. To open the line for your questions.

We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Anjou Lazar of Barclays. Your line is open. Great. Thanks so much. Good morning, Andrew.

I guess first question would be in the fourth quarter, excluding all the one time dynamics, of exiting businesses and the 3.8. On the same On the same basis, if I'm looking at it right, think you're looking for underlying volume again excluding all of these one time things, in the first quarter, that's sort of flattish. I guess if I have that right, What would What would you attribute the sort of sequential slowdown to?

Yes, Andrew, this is Pat. So I think as we started the ramp up of the broth facility, that was part of what helped us into the fourth quarter as we weren't, shipping as much broth. I think we've also seen an offset in some of the category deceleration that we talked about. As we exited the last couple of months, and based on what we can see year to date, we're seeing maybe just slightly positive category trends, but Largely flat. So I think that's the way we're thinking about [indiscernible] Got it.

Got it. And then Steve, just a little bit more high level from an industry perspective, really across branded and private label, but over the, whatever, past couple of decades, right, the group has time to time, dealt with whatever significant fundamental challenges. And each time, while it's taken some time, the group is sort of found its way back to sort of a better place. One sort of one way or another. [indiscernible] It just feels like valuations for the group at this stage are almost sort of implying that this like this time is different.

The challenges the industry currently faces are maybe more enduring or sort of structural in nature. I guess I would just be curious on your thoughts, obviously, you've been in the industry a long time and any given point in time, it's always seemed like the challenges are structural and then they've proven not to be.

Again, I don't want to be dismissive of any of the challenges the industry is facing. I know they're real. But you get a sense of what I'm getting a sense of like is this time different in your view?

Sure.

Well, maybe I'll answer that by pulling it back to TreeHouse and how we look at it. And we're looking at exactly what you just articulated. So obviously, we're not satisfied with our our 2024 results, right? We know this business is capable more than that. And you've got this environment of high inflation, you've got the GLP-one question you've got the consumer pressure question. So you've got a lot of questions around you.

Back, it's been literally less than two point five years, just under two point five years ago. That we sold the meal prep business and created the new TreeHouse TreeHouse.

Right? We chose categories when we did that that had grown historically 3% to 5% in units.

Okay.

And some of those categories had grown at that pace for a decade. Well, obviously, to your point, these things have changed dramatically. Right now. You've got a low growth and no growth environment. Private label dynamics within the categories are good.

Right? But the categories aren't good.

Right.

So what's what I inferred in my prepared remarks and I hope the group on the call understands is that our management team, our Board, our leaders think this is an opportunity for exactly what you said, to reset ourselves, right, to rethink how we go to market, how we run our business, okay?

And do it differently. We talk about you focus on things you can control, right? Well, in in our case, it's our supply chain, it's operational excellence, it's efficiency. We think we can drive significantly more profitability and cash flow We think it has to start with the guide we gave you today, a very conservative volume guide. Right? And that conservative volume guide allows us to focus on execution We can tighten up our spending things like growth capital, working capital, and we can focus our team on projects that will take out structural costs. [indiscernible] So we do think it comes back, right? And to your point, it does. [indiscernible] But what we want to do is be a place where when that happens, we can really leverage that financially. [indiscernible] our focus in the near term is to drive those things out I think Pat, I think our categories were up 0.7 of point in units in January.

And so if that happens, we'll be a tad better than what we guided. But we thought a conservative guide really a different mindset across TreeHouse and across our teams to focus on [indiscernible] on making this operation ready for when that happens, And then we're going to know more, right? We're going to the GLP-one question is going to flush itself out, right, over the next year or two. The a lot of these the trends, the food costs, right, for commodities will settle I mean, we can't have a more uncertain environment today with tariffs and the things that are going on around us. So I think we just should build and I know some of my peers are working on of the same same issues.

And so I think we positioned the business for for normalcy and normalcy will happen.

Your point every other time.

Good. I always appreciate your thoughts. Thank you. Yes. Thanks, Andrew.

The next question comes from the line of from Stifel. Your line is open.

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

Hi, Matt. Good morning. I wanted to ask you about the margin management actions you're taking in 2025 It's hard to kind of tease out what the impact to volumes is based on the guidance, perhaps it's a point or so. And can you talk a little bit more about the phasing of when you expect to see the volume headwind from some of those margin management actions kind of a reset in 2025 or if this is more of a go forward way of managing the business where we could continue to see volume drag that is offset by new contract wins over time. Sure. Maybe I'll touch on the the how we approach this and when I think it's going to impact us in can talk about the [indiscernible] in a market that sort of what I just said to Andrew, If you're assuming your business is going to grow 3% to 5% and that's been the historic trends, You're adding shifts, you're adding capacity, you're taking on complexity, that isn't that efficient in your plants. Our margin management allows us, especially in those capacity constrained areas, to really align efficient operations with the best where can we give our customers what customers and what volume will that be the most effective for them and the most effective and not put that pressure on that team to try to grab that extra piece of business that ends up being inefficient.

So I think there will be a point or two of volume drag throughout the year. But I think it's offset dramatically by the cost to serve that volume. We've done some really really good work that that suggests some of that volume is really expensive to serve.

Now that doesn't mean that as things recover, we won't make CapEx capacity expansion expenditures again.

But I think there's a chance to pause on that.

And also over the next year or two, I think our TMOS activity we're seeing great progress from TMOS that's adding capacity to our system.

So let's let that run for a year or two and and free up some capacity and we'll go fill it. So maybe I'll hand it to Pat to talk about the impact. Yes. And so I think you're thinking about that right from a modification. I think you'll see that build throughout the year. Obviously, the first quarter, we've got visibility into what business we want to serve there. And throughout the area, you'll start to see us make choices on bids that we participate in where we may not want to run down the structural margin in a category and bid too low. And other parts of business that like Steve described that are complex and are within the tail of what we serve don't make sense for us. So I think about that is probably starting second quarter and then building throughout the year. Yes. It's not going to be Draconian.

But a couple of points of volume out of our system The most expensive part of our tail can really impact our margin. Thanks, Pat. And just as a tactical follow-up, the margin management actions, the drag on volume, is that going to be it looks like the way guidance was laid out, that's not going to be included what you're calling organic volume. Is that right?

Yes, I think the way that we describe that, that's right. Maybe the way we described organic might just be what we would call sort of base business, maybe be another way to say that. Thank you. I'll pass it on. Thank you.

The next question comes from John Anderson Airline is open.

Hey, good morning, everybody. Good morning, Josh.

A couple of quick quick questions. On the supply chain, cost saving program. I think you mentioned Pat that cumulatively you realized $60,000,000 of gross savings in 2024, can you talk a little bit about we should be thinking about the cadence of the balance of that program and in 2025 and 2026. And then I'm also curious, around the commentary around the capital expenditure glide path kind of a multiyear glide path to a lower CapEx rate. I think the CapEx rate was around 4.3% of sales in 2024. Kind of implied in the 3.8, 3.7, 3.8 range and in 2025, how that you expect that to kind of assuming all else equal, how that glide path might play out over the next two to three years? Thanks.

Yes. So on the supply chain savings, a lot of what we drove this year was related to our procurement cost savings initiatives. And we were really pleased to see the flow through of that in the second half of the year. Primarily. So given that we do a lot of that work in the second half, what we expect to flow through in 2025 will be the carryover impact of that as well as the remainder of the pipeline as we continue to execute on that. Obviously, in a lower volume environment, a little bit harder to drive through kind of ongoing cost savings and we do see a little bit of inflation. So either that number from a manufacturing will be a little bit smaller this year, but we see ability for TMOS to offset our inflation and deliver a little bit And then we've had good progress as well on our logistics and there's still more work go there. So I'd say think of 2025 providing probably a little bit less from a procurement savings, but that's well on its way We'll get some manufacturing and we'll get to start to work on our logistics, which were kind of the the pillars of what we talked about.

And then we'll just look at as based on volumes, what are the the structural things we've got to do to make sure we're aligning effort with the volume that we do have.

Then as it relates to CapEx, we are winding up a couple of multiyear projects. In 2025. And I think for this business, we've said historically, 3% to 3.5% is probably the level of CapEx. I think on the high end would be what you need to go to drive more growth. And so on the low end, if you're not trying to drive back growth, you're probably closer to the low end of that. Over time, if you're not making those types of investments. And so that'd be a little bit of how we think about the GladPath and we'll obviously we'll update that as we get closer to it.

Makes sense. One quick follow-up. I think it's dates back a little ways now, but at one point you had shared a kind of a view of where you may be in 2027 from a margin perspective and I think an implied EBITDA margin around 12%. In light of some of the kind of the the pivot that you're making here based on the macro and category performance that were you're going to be scrutinizing some of the category customer relationships a little bit more for margin management. Does that Does that change the kind of the complexion of long term algo a bit lower Top line, but offset by improved profitability or gross profit dollars? Thanks. Yes. I'm not sure John Murphy. We would say at this point we're going to go a lot above that. But I think that will be the real focus. And I think obviously the work to go drive that type of margin on a lower volume requires a little bit more effort. So I don't think we're going to say anything different. But obviously, as we get greater line of sight and we see the benefits of that payoff, we can update as we go along.

Great.

Thanks so much. Thanks, John.

The next question comes from Jamsalera Jim Solera of Stephens Incorporated. Your line is open.

Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

I was hoping you could maybe give a little more detail around the softness in private label in 4Q from 3Q.

You did call out some strength in pretzels, cookies and the in store bakery, which at least conceptually I would think are a little bit more discretionary than some of the other categories in store. And so you would think the consumer spending there in many is a little pressured in other areas that would actually be a benefit to private label? Just any color you've got to offer around that would be helpful.

Sure. Sure. Couple of things. I think we actually took some share in a couple of those categories, right? Our pretzels team has been performing incredibly well and if you remember a couple of years ago, we made an investment to bring seasoned pretzels to market. That is starting now to pay off. So I think in ISP as well there's some new business in that in that group. So I think frankly that's executional And unfortunately, when we have to hang over of our frozen griddle, those things are hard to show through. But so we actually had some some executional strength there.

Honestly, we have historically seen brands peak in December. That's been a historical peak. Obviously, you've got holidays, you've got all those things happening. So and you've got a lot of promotional support [indiscernible] I've listened to the other calls on the few calls that have been out.

Just think we had a soft consumer environment. In the month of December, like we saw it decelerate as we got into quarter. I don't know if that's a consumer paying for Christmas. I don't know know what those things are. But we saw the volume decelerate We saw I mean, we gained a tiny bit of share We had a tiny bit positive, which is still better than the category dynamics, but I think it was more a macro category issue or a macro private label issue. And like we said, we saw about 0.7 improvement in January, right, as that small improvement in January.

Now we are at record share levels, right? [indiscernible] I'm not sure so much sure it's a private label issue as it is a just a macro issue.

Okay. That's great. And maybe as a follow-up question to that.

If we think about 2025 and again ignoring all the the one time headwinds, How should we think about general kind of category improvement versus operational execution leading to share gains as the drivers of the kind of base business volume.

I think we are planning for volume to be flat, which as I said in my opening comments, that's a conservative point of view.

That allows us I think the underlying categories I mean, if they're anything like January, it might be up for point ish.

But that allows us a little bit of room to do a little bit of distribution changes and things to improve our margins, right?

The Harris Teak acquisition we thought that's great mix it's profitable volume, We thought bringing that in gave us an umbrella to operate under to make the rest of the business to position the rest of the business. In a much better place. So I think what you'll see there, we'll win some pretzel business, we'll win some of those great categories where we're performing really well.

And then we'll use that opportunity to position the rest of the business for a more profitable run. Going forward.

The next question comes from Rob Dickerson of Jefferies. Your line is open.

Great. Thank you. Maybe just one kind of pedicle question and one broader question. For the quarter, Volume mix was up 3.8% and then we have the line that shows kind of facilities restoration impact, right, which I assume that's the Griddle business. That's correct. When we go okay. And then when we go back last year to Q4, I believe it was about a 4% drag from the broth dislocation, kind of from that from that disruption? So I guess if I'm trying to kind of like net broth let's say, to Griddle, would you say that that 4% drag from last year's Q4 was essentially recovered in this year's Q4 that's the first question. Yes, Rob, this is Pat. So I would say some of that or that we saw in in the prior year in 2023. Is recovered over the course of the year. I think as we've described in the past, we do think it's going to take through Q1 to get brought surface levels back up. And so seeing that. So I wouldn't say it's fully recovered in that timeframe. It's a seasonal item and so it takes a little bit from a capacity standpoint to go fill that pipeline back up.

So we weren't quite there the fourth quarter.

Okay, cool. Perfect. And then just Steve, you had the the comment in the prepared remarks around kind of expectations for promotional activity to increase I kind of took that as both branded and private label So I guess just kind of like first part of the question is just kind of in this like lighter volume [indiscernible] and then kind of your comment on trying to push the margin on a lower volume base Is the idea as you kind of get through Q1, if like environment, let's just say, doesn't improve materially Then as we kind of get through the year, both branded and private label could actually start to promote a little bit more to try to get those volumes [indiscernible] [indiscernible] the lower absolute price point on a promoted private label [indiscernible] becomes more attractive in this environment. That's all. Sure. That's a lot.

Sure. I think the assumption is branded, right?

I think that they're still below and I mean at some point we have to stop using pre pandemic, right? It's going kick back far. Nobody's going to remember when it was, right? [indiscernible] The promotion levels are still not as historic norms, right? So there's room for promotions to grow based on that. We expect branded promotion volumes. Look, it's a low volume environment, right?

So we expect them to try to find ways to target that and be effective. We contemplated that in our flat guide right? We think that's contemplated in When it comes to promotion for us, that's something we work on with the retail it's not trade for us. It's not the same line. It's built into the contracts that we [indiscernible] If we need to do that or they need to do that, we'll work on that together, but it won't have financial impact to us the way promotion does in branded accounting.

So but my feeling is the gaps are pretty substantial right now. I think they can sustain and the value proposition for private label I think is the best it's ever been from a quality and assortment and price point. So price gap So I don't I think we'll weather and we can deliver the numbers that we have comfortably without us having to do much. And that assumes brands are aggressive.

Okay, super. And then maybe just one last quick one on Harris Tea. 4% and a contribution to 25 Just as you step into that business and I'm sure you buried it pretty quickly or closely, sorry, before you purchased it, Kind of out of the gate, is there like a kind of a larger increase something strategic that kind of pairs with coffee that we just aren't discussing, right? I mean clearly understand kind of what's the what the CAGR on that business has been, the category Just trying to understand kind of of what do you do with it out of the gate?

Well, think, yes. Number one, it's a great category.

Typically, that is a category that is bought with coffee, right, the hot beverage group in most retailers is altogether. An even deeper group of relationships with that particular category than we do. Also we have a small tea business, right? And we pack tea for some of the some of the most specialty foodservice retailers and things. We have a very high end tea business that didn't have the procurement and blending capabilities. So it brings vertical integration to the business we already had.

And that's where the little extra synergy for TreeHouse is besides just the integration stuff.

I think we've and this is a really deep group from an expertise level.

So they are clear category experts So I think what we felt they could run our existing tea business better than we were running. Right? No knock on our team.

Just we felt there was going to be synergy on our RT business. Super.

The next question comes from Carla Picsella of JPMorgan. Your line is open. Hi, thanks for taking the question. On the Griddle facility shutdown, and more broadly than that, can you talk about what you're seeing in terms of you talk about account wins, wondering if you're seeing any account losses and if you if there's a from a net net wins versus losses way to think about The business I think our customers have been with us really strongly both on our broth recalling on our on our Gritol recall. So We think that the distribution base as we come out of this will be very similar to the distribution base when we went into it. And I think that's just our transparency There were no consumer injuries on this. This was this is the rigor that we put into an older facility that we owned. And I think their QA groups really appreciate our vigilance on it I think it was the right thing to do. It was expensive and it know the retailers didn't don't like this kind of thing, but they appreciate having a partner with the kind of vigilance that we have. So far, we think our distribution will be neutral.

Okay, great. And then just any conversations you've had with the rating agencies, I know I ask this all the time, but the CCC rating on the bonds looks low to us in We're just wondering if you've got any kind of in your sights to maybe get your rating up and what you may need to do?

Yes. I think it's no different from other stakeholders who are just for consistency of execution and delivering on what we set out. And so I think as we do that, you'll see it. I think as we we keep leverage, low as well. I think that's another kind of mechanical trigger point as well that will need to think about. And certainly, even with our refi, we felt like pricing we got in the first quarter was probably reflected what your sentiment is on the rating as well?

Yes. Carl, I would just say our bondholders and our our lenders.

Look at us favorable to that credit rating. So we think the underlying earnings power of the business shows through and we understand the rating agencies conservative stance and we're we're anxious for that to for us to have the returns the results that we can show through to them as well.

Okay, great. Thank you.

The last question today comes from William Reuter of Bank of America. Your line is open. Good morning. I just have two.

The first, your leverage is kind of down near the bottom of your target [indiscernible] to 3.5 times. Should we assume that I guess the majority of cash at this point will either be deployed towards M and A or there are not opportunities towards share repurchases, Yes. And so I think the way to think about that is we obviously did M and A in January. And so we did put some of that cash that we had on the balance sheet to use early in the quarter in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. For the Harris Teak acquisition. And so so from a leverage standpoint, you may see that move up just a little bit. From where we said our target was and then we'll work that down over the course of the year, but certainly not not levering up the company by any stretch, but but that will change a little bit in the first couple of quarters twenty twenty five.

Yes.

We think by year end though, we'll an even lower position I think the Slide 16 we thought it was important. We talk about capital allocation and the discipline that we have. We think that pie chart really gives you a sense that we have in fact invested in our business. We have in fact kept our balance sheet strong.

And opportunistically return cash to shareholders. So we don't see any change in that. Going forward.

Got it. And then, given the diversity of your product portfolio, it's a little bit difficult from the outside to track how your commodities may look for the year. I guess in general, are you going to see either inflation or deflation or should they be relatively flat?

Yes. We're going to see sort of low to mid single digit in inflation is what we've got visibility to right now. There are large chunks of that that are in coffee and cocoa, which if you follow those, those have been up somewhat more dramatically than other commodities. And then there's probably some things in some edible oils and some other ingredients that we use that are up a little bit year over year. So we'll watch that as we go through the year. But that's what we've got visibility to right now. And we've assumed some level of pricing in our top line guide before that.

Yes. And we've talked a number of times, much of our coffee pricing is pass through, right, is on [indiscernible] timing pass through and we hedged it accordingly based on those pass through agreements.

So that's a mechanical exercise and that's probably the largest Okay. So does it stand to reason that it sounds like from the last answer that largely you did push through price increases and let's exclude Cocos and Surajar pass throughs on that or coffee, I can't remember which one you just mentioned. But you price for the majority of the other commodity inflation you saw for the year?

I'd say that activity is happening right now.

I would say that's more current than I wouldn't say we've done it, I'd say it's being done. And obviously there's dispositions in front of that stuff. So that gives us a time to to do the customer lead time.

So Great. That's all from me. Thank you.

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Steve Oakland, Chairman, CEO and President of TreeHouse Foods for closing remarks.

Well, I'd like to thank everyone for being with us today. I'm sure the this isn't what you planned for Valentine's Day, but we appreciate you being with us. And we hope that we hope you have a great evening. And we look forward to talking to you live in between and again next quarter.

Have a great day.

This concludes today's conference call.

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