ZoomInfo Technologies Inc. Price & Performance (ZI)

For more information, please refer to the forward looking statements in the slides posted to our Investor Relations website at ir.zoominfo.com ZoomInfo. All metrics on this call are non GAAP unless otherwise noted. A reconciliation can be found in the financial results press release or in the slides posted to our IR website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Henry. Thank you, Jerry, and welcome, everyone. ZoomInfo is making meaningful progress. I believe we are better positioned today than ever before. In Q2, we took a number of steps to set up the company for long term growth and success. In Q3, stabilized the business. And in Q4, we drove growth across all of our key operating metrics, which resulted in better than expected financial results achieved faster than we had anticipated. As a result, GAAP revenue for adjusted operating income was $116,000,000 margin of 37% both above the high end of guidance. The results in Q4 represent the culmination of changes to sales, product and other operations that we enacted over the past two years. Our execution caught up to our innovation. Leading to happier and more engaged customers. With our data and platform, our customers are winning in two key ways.

They are winning with Copilot by leveraging the best go to market data, AI applications and agents throughout their go to market Copilot again exceeded expectations and now has over $150,000,000 in ACV. And our customers are winning with ZoomInfo operations. The data foundation that enriches and strengthens their internal systems empowers their systems of record data warehouses and AI initiatives.

Operations is the fastest growing area of our business driving accelerating growth and in Q4 was up 27% year over year. With the continued success and momentum of our data and operations solutions, are well on our way to becoming the de facto provider of data and AI in the enterprise. We think of our market in two ways. Up market and down market. And this is the framework that we will be using to talk about the business consistently moving forward. Upmarket includes our enterprise and mid market businesses. Where we are resourcing against the large and growing opportunity of companies with greater than 100 employees. For our upmarket customer base, we continue to add more reps and develop more datasets features and functionality for the platform. We have also expanded our trial motion flexibility rebalanced account loads and doubled down on services to delight the customer and drive their success. Upmarket is more than two thirds of our business. Grew 2% in 2024 and is on a path to growing mid single digits and has significant primarily due to the difference in customer lifetime value We expect our continued shift up market to drive profitability improvement as well.

We define down market as businesses with fewer than 100 employees. In this cohort, we are disqualifying more risky small business, requiring upfront prepayment and onboarding customers efficiently through a digital first approach. Down market comprises less than one third of our business, declined 9% in 2024 and show signs of stabilizing to a smaller and healthier portion of the business. We expect to report on this up market, down market split going forward. While sharing relative size and growth rates. But I think it is important to reiterate that more than two thirds of our business is up market and strong and growing. Our investments up market continue paying off and we see opportunities to drive upside to our up market growth while we are aggressively managing the contribution of the lower end of the market. The lower end of the market is going to continue to decrease as a percentage of the business. And while it will be smaller, it will be healthier. And we will discount its contribution to guidance so that we can minimize the potential impact of this transition. And we're already seeing our investments upmarket paying off. We see it in our 100,000 customers, our $1,000,000 plus customers and in net revenue retention.

We now have eighteen sixty seven customers with more than $100,000 in ACV, a sequential increase of 58 customers and a year over year increase of 47 customers. We also drove sequential and year over year growth in both the ACV and the number of customers in our $1,000,000 cohorts. And net revenue retention increased to 87% in the fourth quarter the first sequential increase in NRR since Q1 of twenty twenty two. Improving our customers' perception of us and staying aligned with our customers' go to market needs has been a key focus of a key focus for us this year. As part of that effort, we recently conducted a brand survey of more than 400 marketing and sales leaders, The survey found that 99% of respondents said their perception of ZoomInfo has improved or stayed the same in the last six months. With the majority of those saying it improved. During the quarter, closed transactions with CoStar, [indiscernible] CareerBuilder, Hedrick and Struggles, Cox Media, Getty Images, Highgate Hotels, and the AI CPA. We partnered with Lumin Technologies, the global telecom communications company to equip 1,000 of their sales and customer support reps with Copilot to improve retention and upsell.

Copilot is being deployed to drive sales productivity, combat competitive pressures and drive revenue growth. The company also plans to leverage ZoomInfo Labs our white glove services arm, to prioritize leads within their marketing team and deliver them directly to sellers with [indiscernible] We partnered with a leading digital marketing company to completely transform the way they go to market.

As they transition from product led growth to sales led growth and move more up market, we are providing them with the complete ZoomInfo go to market intelligence platform. From our marketing solution and call recording and transcription, enriching data and using Copilot, we are helping them execute account based marketing strategies for new logo acquisition and driving cross sell and up sell as they expand upmarket. We also used our newly released trial motion for Copilot to grow a 100 seat proof of concept at one of the largest job search engines more than tenfold, Our successful trial allowed us to prove that we could deliver more connects build more pipeline and drive better conversion for their reps. One of the key drivers of this quarter's success started two years ago when we embarked on a journey to up level our product organization with AI and platform leaders who have dramatically accelerated our pace of innovation. From listening to thousands of client calls and meeting with hundreds of customers, it is clear that go to market leaders are all looking for success across four key areas: They want to grow new logos expand their customer base improve rep productivity and leverage AI so that they do not fall behind.

To deliver on that for our clients, we start with the highest quality B2B data in the world.

In Q4, we created new data products that get our customers in front of prospects precisely when they're in market, their products and services. We enhanced our intent solution by introducing persona level website identification, allowing sellers to pinpoint high intent buyers within specific roles. Expanding beyond account level indicators to person level data has led to a 15% lift in action rates. Our Copilot interface allowed us to activate this data innovation directly into the workflows of tens of thousands of users. In the quarter, we generated proprietary signals and accelerated deals for more than two thirds of active opportunities for our upmarket customers. Those customers would have missed out on two thirds of the deals in their pipeline, without ZoomInfo. We continued our pace of innovation by expanding our Copilot AI agents that automate core parts of a seller's workflow.

By synthesizing live buyer interactions, our agents create dynamic always up to date account plans that capture relevant signals the moment they surface.

These AI agents automatically identify deal risk and recommend ways to expand buying groups. All of this runs on our enterprise grade AI governance and customization framework. Already deployed within some of the largest go to market organizations in the world, ensuring they can adapt These capabilities highly complex and specialized sales motions. We're also expanding key use cases beyond sales development representatives and other top of the funnel prospecting use cases. We're now gaining traction among account executives account managers and customer success managers. A user base more than three times larger than SDRs. Account executives and account management teams are adopting Copilot for automated account planning, account expansion and deal acceleration, We have seen strong product market fit with Copilot activating the first cohorts of AEs and AMs at utilization levels comparable to our core SDR user base. I'm confident we'll continue to automate and moving in increasing share of mission critical go to market workflows onto the ZoomInfo platform. I would also like to take a moment to thank Ali Dazdan, our former Chief Technology Officer who is transitioning engineering leadership our Senior VP of Engineering Filip Popovic. Ali played an important role in helping us build enterprise processes and infrastructure here and we wish him all the best in his next endeavors.

We're excited about Philips' expanded role and our confidence that he will continue to accelerate our pace of innovation and serve as a strong partner to our our customers and as internal counterparts throughout the company. I also want to thank Patrick McCarter, who after nearly eight years of partnership and Board directorship is moving on from the ZoomInfo Board. Patrick is someone that I respect deeply and who has been at the table for every strategic decision over nearly a decade His knowledge, engagement and experience and we wish him the best as well. I'm also excited about the recent additions of Katie Rooney, and Rob Giulio to our Board of Directors. Katie has decades of experience in finance operations, strategy and corporate development. She was recently named CFO at Maven, the world's largest virtual health platform for women and families. Rob is currently Chief Customer Officer at Canva, and previously was Chief Customer Officer at HubSpot and Chief Marketing Officer at DocuSign. At HubSpot, we oversaw the Flywheel organization, the marketing, sales, service and revenue operations team. Rob also spent eleven years in senior marketing and sales leadership roles at Adobe. We are incredibly excited about the fresh perspective and long history of successful operating experience we add to the Boardroom with these additions.

In closing, we have always had a history of disciplined financial and operational execution. And now more than ever, our innovation engine is creating a tailwind on top of our data moat. We have taken the necessary steps to drive improved operating performance and set the company on a path to growth. While driving industry leading profitability, expanding free cash flow per share and defining the future of go to market with innovative solutions that drive customer delight. We have a large untapped addressable market a strong innovation in data moat, and we are winning the opportunity to be the go to market data and AI partner for upmarket customers. With that, I'll turn the call over to Graham. Thanks, Henry. In Q4, we delivered $3.00 $9,000,000 in revenue, adjusted operating income of $116,000,000 a margin of 37%.

Our investments moving up market are yielding results as we delivered meaningfully better than expected resulting in sequential revenue growth of 1.8%. The business risk model deployed in Q2 is working as intended resulting in improving write off and collection trends. With the new risk model in place and the additional operational improvements we've implemented, we are able to onboard better quality customers, continue our move up market and focus more on delivering customer success and value which resulted in a two point sequential improvement in net revenue retention ending the year at 87%. With more and more companies realizing they need a strong data foundation to take advantage of AI, we saw demand for our operations business increase again. As a result, in the fourth quarter, our operations business increased 27% year over year. Five points higher than last quarter. Taken together with our success driving Copilot, advanced functionality, increased to 44% of the overall business up more than 10 points since the start of the year.

As of today, Copilot is more than $150,000,000 in ACV, and we continue to see similar uplift uplift levels on a per seat basis in Q4 as we have historically. The majority of Copilot ACV is coming from new to the franchise customers though with our recently released functionality that allows existing expect to drive a larger volume of migrations over the course of 2025 and 2026. Turning to share repurchases.

For the full year, we retired 46,800,000.0 shares at an average cost $12 representing more than 12% of total shares outstanding And as of year end, there were $342,000,000 shares outstanding. In Q1, the Board approved an additional $500,000,000 share repurchase authorization on top of the $138,000,000 remaining in [indiscernible] look at repurchases as a meaningful way to drive shareholder value we will continue to opportunistically take advantage of dislocations and share price balance with our cash generation and cash on hand. Operating cash flow was $109,000,000 in Q4 and unlevered free cash flow for the quarter was $94,000,000 a margin of 30%. We also remain committed to driving shareholder value by growing levered free cash [indiscernible] To that end, unlevered free cash flow for 2024 was $447,000,000 a margin of 37% and cash interest for 2024 was $44,000,000 We delivered significantly more than $1 in levered free cash flow per share for the full year based on $377,000,000 diluted weighted average shares outstanding.

And we expect to grow that meaningfully over the long term. We ended the year with $140,000,000 in cash and cash equivalents and we carried $1,240,000,000 in gross debt. Our net leverage ratio is 2.4 times trailing twelve months adjusted EBITDA and 2.2 times trailing twelve months cash EBITDA which is defined as consolidated EBITDA in our credit agreements.

With respect to liabilities and future performance obligation, unearned revenue at the end of the year was $478,000,000 and remaining performance obligations or RPO were $1,160,000,000 of which $850,000,000 are expected to be delivered in the next twelve months.

Before I jump into guidance, let me share some additional context. Q1 twenty twenty five has two fewer days than Q4 twenty twenty four and one fewer day than Q1 twenty twenty four.

Should be considered when comparing sequential and year over year revenue growth and AOI margins. Also, Q1 margins are impacted by payroll tax and other benefit resets. Additionally, 2024 is not a good proxy for 2025 seasonality due to the operational improvements we introduced in Q2 twenty twenty four, and the change in accounting estimates in that same period.

In 2025, we expect adjusted operating income and AOI margins to increase sequentially as we move through the year. Q4 twenty twenty four was more weighted to Upmarket customers and we expect Q1 twenty twenty five to have a seasonally lower mix of upmarket expirations.

We are discounting down market contributions to our guidance However, we are on a path back to durable growth faster than expected and we are optimistic about our momentum heading into 2025. With that, let me turn to guidance for Q1.

We expect GAAP revenue in the range of $2.94 to $297,000,000 We expect adjusted operating income in the range of $96,000,000 to $99,000,000 and non GAAP net income in the range of $0.22 to $0.23 per share. For the full year 2025, we expect to deliver GAAP revenue in the range of $1,185,000,000 to $1,205,000,000 representing negative 1.6% annual growth at the midpoint of guidance and adjusted operating income in the range of $4.26 $436,000,000 representing a 36% margin at the midpoint of guidance. [indiscernible] We expect non GAAP net income in the range of $95 based on $362,000,000 weighted average diluted shares outstanding. And we expect unlevered free cash flow in the range of $420,000,000 to $440,000,000 And for modeling purposes, for the year, we would expect CapEx in the range of 5% of revenue and the non GAAP tax rate to be approximately 13%.

Now, I will turn it over to the operator to open the call for questions.

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer We ask that you please Limit Our first question comes from the line of Alex Zukin with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.

Hey guys, congrats on a solid quarter. I guess maybe just Henry, first one for you. Just a sense for for trends in both the SMB and the pipelines that you're seeing maybe tech sales hiring, and also maybe just from a financials perspective, how we should think about the growth rates of the two segments embedded in the guide differently for the coming year?

I'll let Graham take the second part. I think the first part is we're seeing strength in the upmarket particularly as we go in and sell our operations and Copilot products into into the upmarket. In the SMB, we saw stabilization in the SMB and that group in the down market, that group of customers is becoming a healthier, but smaller portion of our business. And we are discounting its contribution to our growth and our guidance going forward. We expect that we that where there can be upside, it will be in our execution in the up market where we're operations business.

And I'll pass it over to Graham for the second part of Sure. The growth trajectories that we are modeling for 2025 in the guidance that we mentioned earlier in the call [indiscernible] mid single digit growth, we're on the path to that. And then down market, we were down 9% in 2024. So we're we did see signs of stabilization there in Q3 and Q4.

Discounting that stabilization We're expecting that 9% to be a little bit worse in 2025. And while we still believe downmarket is a quality business, we're just not going to rely on growth in the down market to hit our targets. We're discounting the down market contribution to our guidance reallocating the resources up market which provides us the flexibility to accelerate our shift upmarket. I should just add that we think there's an opportunity here for us to become the facto partner for enterprise data and AI. In the up market with our customers and on go to market team. And that's why we're resourcing there.

And Harry, maybe on that, I mean, with everybody talking about AI agents, particularly on go to market side, I think you guys talked about how it led to increasing close rates for you. Maybe just give us your perspective on kind of the state of the the world right now and how key role you play in that ecosystem increasingly as we as we see here?

Yes. I think the key thing about AI agents and building AI for go to market is it's very different than when you build AI for support or services, where if you're building an AI agent for support, all of the data that you need for the AI to understand customer base, it lives inside the customer support tickets that you already have. It's all first party data. And you only need first party data to build a great AI agent for customer support. That is completely different when you're trying to build an AI agent for go to market teams. That relies first on third party data. It needs your first party data but in order for a go to market AI agent to be successful, it needs data, it needs accurate data on companies, it needs accurate data on contacts. Those data points are constantly changing and then needs to be surrounded with a tremendous amount of signal data, whose who's growing, who's shrinking, who's hiring, who's laying people off, who's researching certain solutions in the market, who's on your website, These signals are critical and they don't live anywhere inside of your first party data. So when we think about the success of go to market B2B AI agent, our data asset that we've built is a necessary component to that.

I think that's why we're seeing more uptake on our operations business. That's why we're seeing customers come to us with their first party data and say, this is not enough. For us to build AI and go to market with AI and go to market. We need this to be married to and surrounded by third party data for us to be successful. I think we are a key input into any go to market AI agent build.

Very clear. Congrats guys.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Elizabeth Porter with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Great. Thank you so much. If I wanted to ask on the Copilot ACV. I think you mentioned a lot of that's on the new customer side and the focus to transitioning the installed base over is going to come more in fiscal twenty twenty five and 2026. So I was wondering if you could just help us understand kind of that path to migration. Will these be more pushed upgrades at renewal or opt in upgrades? Anything to help us get a sense for how quickly the installed base can start moving over new platform.

We are in the midst of migrating our customers over to Copilot. We are doing it off cycle. So outside of a renewal day, we're also doing it at renewal. Time. We're still seeing a strong double digit growth on migration when we move those customers over. We want to drive pricing discipline on our teams as they migrate over to Copilot. We released this quarter our customer impact report that shows that our customers particularly when they're in Copilot, are getting a tremendous ROI and value out of the solution. And we're happy to stand behind a pilot And so in one of the examples that I talked about, we took 100 person pilot to over 1,000 person deployment at one of the largest job search engines in the world. And we're comfortable letting our customers try Copilot see the value and then monetizing that value in ROI, either as part of a renewal or as part of an off cycle upsell. We are going at it in both ways, but we want to maintain pricing discipline for the value that we're delivering our customers with Copilot.

Got it. And then just as a follow-up, wanted to touch on the NRR improvement, really encouraging to see that tick up. To 87% from 85% over the last couple of quarters. So could you just unpack some of the drivers from the growth retention side versus the expansion side? And how we could think about that playing out in calendar '25 we start to get the benefit from migrations and lapping the new business risk model?

Sure. Also about some of the inputs to the retention improvement. Just as a reminder, we had retention was stable at 85% for the last three quarters. We saw the two point sequential improvement in Q4. That was our first sequential improvement since Q1 of twenty twenty two. Our growth retention has held in pretty well over that period. I'll put this up into kind of an up market and down market statement.

Up market churn is about the same, but we've had a significant improvement shifting back into an upsell opportunity instead of kind of more of [indiscernible] And then in the down market, we saw As all retention stepped down, certainly during the first two quarters in twenty twenty four, We saw that stabilize Q3 and Q4. But beyond that, it's really been mitigating down sell lots more opportunity to up sell up market.

Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tyler Radke with Citi. Your line is now open. Thanks for the question. This is Ashley on for Tyler.

Just wanted to ask about the uptick in 100,000 customer count. Could you provide a little bit more color on what drove the uptick and maybe comment on the mix of new lands versus expansions? And do you expect this pace of addition to be sustained going forward?

Yes, I can cover that one. So really there's four ways that the logo count in that cohort can change. We can go out and acquire new customers at a price above 100,000 We can upsell customers spending below 100 ks.

Up above 100 ks can customers that are spending 100,000 down sell or full churn. We don't year plus where we saw a sequential decrease in that cohort, It usually wasn't a full on churn.

So what we're really seeing is improvement in the other three areas. We've got opportunity to upsell much more success upselling existing customers up and above 100,000. We are losing way more fewer customers down below that 100 ks cohort from a down sell. And then we're being much more successful going out and actually acquiring upmarket customers at that $100,000 or above level. So really it's customer acquisition, renewed off sell opportunity, and less down sell exposure than we had seen previously. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Peterson with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Hey, thanks for taking the question. This is Jonathan MacCary on for Brian. So I guess just getting into 2025 guide another way, I know you gave some commentary on NRR already here, but what do you have built in the outlook there? How much of that is still reliant on mid market as the primary swing factor for NRR versus potential upside from migrations? [indiscernible] way we're thinking about upmarket growth is that we're going to going to we're on a path back to mid single digit growth. And as a reminder, mid market is our segment. Last year, we had talked about mid market kind of being a drag on growth specifically with the software vertical that experienced a couple of years of down sell pressure.

So I think the the framework within off market is that we are accelerating our enterprise opportunity and that we're kind of on the upswing after in mid market after we had headwinds there for a couple of years.

Got it. And then on the copilot uptake, it's good to hear the new new lands? You've said that's mostly new customers. Is it how close is that to 100% attach rates when you land a new deal?

Yes, I can take that one too. It's the vast majority of our new customer ACV is on Copilot.

So I think early on, we went up to about 90%. I think that's the right number that it's about 90% plus of ACV. Is new to franchisees coming on Copilot.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Parker Lane with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Yes. Good afternoon, guys. You've got Jack McShane on for Parker. Thanks for taking the question today. I'd be curious to hear you guys thoughts on DeepSeq's potential impact to your business. It was reported that you guys are leveraging the R1 model within Copilot. So I'd be curious to hear how that may change things either on the cost side of the equation maybe some potential performance improvements as a result Yes. First, it wasn't reported that we were using it inside of Copilot. We have tested DeepSeq internally. And I think that what's we're most excited about with DeepSeq in the ecosystem is its potential to drive price down across other LOM providers. We have always had a model internally at ZoomInfo ZoomInfo we use the model with the highest efficacy and the lowest price and we're constantly testing different models for outcomes. We expect DeepSeq to do in this ecosystem is continue to drive down prices with the model providers. And what we've seen to date is an exponential decrease in costs across the models that we're using across Copilot. DeepSeq is not a production LOM that we're using.

Got it. Understood. And then one more quick one. I'd be curious [indiscernible] the characteristics of the 100,000 cohort and When I'm kind of parsing upsell versus maybe you see growth. How does that 100,000 plus cohort kind of compare to the rest of your guys' customers?

Yes. Good question. It's heavily up market as you would imagine. [indiscernible] when we talk about vectors, [indiscernible] take existing customers and expand them into that cohort. We've got seed opportunities not just in our [indiscernible] more traditional space, but we've got expansion opportunities into AE, AM, CSM, rev ops use cases with Copilot cross sell additional functionality. So [indiscernible] selling that to Copilot and legacy sales customers. So we do have [indiscernible] [indiscernible] levers to upsell into the 100 ks cohort. Understood. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Berg with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Hey, thanks for taking my question. Michael Berg on for Michael Turrin here. I just want to double click on the NRR in particular with regards to the seat dynamic, you talked a lot about upselling ops and Copilot. How was the seat environment looking? And I guess in particular, if there is any difference in the up market versus down market? As part of that equation? Thanks.

Well, I think first in a down market, if you think about a customer that has call it 25 employees and five salespeople, we're going to be 100% penetrated across that seat count. As you move up market, we're more we're much less penetrated. And so in an enterprise customer with 10,000 employees and 5,000 salespeople, we might be only penetrated across 1,000 of those sales reps. And so there continues to be a large seat expansion opportunity in the upmarket. I think the thing that we're most excited about as it relates to CoPilot is our ability to sell outside of personas where we have historically sold. And so instead of only selling the top of the funnel prospectors, we've now expanded into account managers, customer success managers who are using Copilot to get in front of risk, churn risk, know signals happening in their accounts, to know when the right time is, to call in to upsell to know to build an account plan on the fly. And to have all of that data at their fingertips so that they can be making better decisions And so that persona expansion expands how many seats we can sell into, but across the enterprise, it's very rare that we're fully penetrated across all of the sales seats that we can sell to.

Helpful. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brent Bracelin with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Thank you. Good afternoon. Henry, I wanted to go back to kind of the 100,000 cohort customer. I think you added 58 net new customers this quarter. That's the most we've seen in two years.

One read outside looking in is that maybe the worst of the churn for those software traditional customers is behind you. Is that Is that a fair characterization? And I say that because a small software company could actually spend well north of $100,000 on the data because they're such dependency around landing new customers. So walk us through that outside looking in thesis. Is that correct? Or how would you frame the momentum you're seeing on that new Look, I think that across our 100,000 cohort, the vast majority of customers in that 100,000 cohort are in our upmarket segment. And so think where we've gotten in trouble in the past is when you take a small customer in a ZERP environment and they spend $100,000 on ZoomInfo, where that might be the right decision in a zerp environment, not the right decision today. And we've been really prescriptive about making sure that our customers in a down market and in the up market are getting the right packages for their business. And so you're not seeing sort of a small software company spend up hundred thousand dollars $100,000 with ZoomInfo. You're seeing the vast vast majority of our upmarket of our of the 100,000 cohort in our upmarket business.

Helpful color. Last question for me is on pricing. Any delta relative to pricing in upmarket versus pricing in the SMB? Just wondering, I know SMB's pricing has been aggressive for a while.

Are you seeing some of the aggressive pricing leak into mid market or that's just not happening?

I would view them separately. I think in the down market, we're view that as an efficient customer acquisition play And then upmarket like I said earlier, we've got a few different pricing models And we haven't the nature of our pricing that market hasn't really changed.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Jack Great.

Thanks. This is Kyle Deel on for Jackson. Maybe just two quick ones.

When we think about the competition upmarket, are there any different puts and takes that you're seeing further and further up market versus even maybe the mid market and particularly with those Copilot first deals?

As we move upmarket, what we're seeing is that our our product market fit and our differentiation meaningfully stronger upmarket than what you see downmarket. And so we're in an incredible place to compete and win upmarket are much differently much differently than down market. We have great product market fit, we're resourced properly, we have the right products, and that market segment presents the largest growth opportunity for us. [indiscernible] I think about the durable competitive advantage that we have. There are several aspects that combine to form that advantage. I think first, the breadth, depth and accuracy of our data.

The velocity of updates to that data, are highly value additive data types like intent data that directly drive revenue outcomes. In the upmarket, our [indiscernible] And then our pace of innovation around AI in go to market that's what's driving our wins upmarket and it's also what's driving our durable competitive advantage as well. It's all of those things [indiscernible] Okay, great. And then Graham, maybe one for you. I think that you kind of called out a couple of times here the discounting of the down market for $25,000,000 in the guide. What about as we think about 25% just overall maybe how the fourth quarter play out from a macro perspective? And kind of what you're anticipating when you're putting together the guide from a macro perspective with more attention towards the mid market and enterprise.

Yes, good question. I don't think we saw the macro change in Q4 from where it was prior and I don't really think we have expectation that it gets better or worse in the guide. Q4 was a really strong quarter for us and we're Great. Thank you.

Thank you. One moment for our next question.

Our next question comes from the line of Rishi Jaluria with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Hi, this is Chris Fountain on for Rishi. Thank you for taking my question. Wanted to ask about the down market disqualification of new business policies that you implemented. I believe in the past you mentioned it was leading to a $2,000,000 a month headwind. Has that amount changed from Q3? And are you expecting any changes to that level in 2020? [indiscernible] That hasn't changed. We don't anticipate any changes to that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Walravens with Citizen Bank. Your line is now open. Hey there. This is Austin Cole.

On for Pat Walravens. Appreciate you guys taking the questions here. Wanted to ask, I guess related to the upmarket We've seen just kind of some continued layoffs out there in the marketing Q1.

Just given your commentary of being on that path to mid single digits, can you just give us kind of a sense of of the durability of that path and kind of what gives you confidence? And then, as a quick follow-up, just what might kind of accelerate that growth kind of even further beyond and strengthening that upmarket to maybe kind of double digits, what are the drivers there?

Look, I think what you're seeing in our enterprise in our upmarket growth is slow and steady and focused execution on [indiscernible] stagnant We have resourced it for growth We have driven product [indiscernible] for that segment We have continued to stay focused on that segment from a services perspective And so I don't view this as one timing. Or that it all sort of came at once. This has been a steady drumbeat of getting a little bit better and a little bit better and a little bit better in the enterprise. And I think as a result, we're seeing improvement across all of the metrics in the upmarket. And we think that is momentum that's going to continue into 2025. I think when you think about how do you accelerate that growth, I think it's couple of things. It's copilot.

And it's our operations. Business. And with Copilot, our sellers are becoming more and more enabled to take Copilot to their customers. They're more and more confident because they're using Copilot internally for their own operations. They now have a persona expansion opportunity within their large accounts. And so there's a lot of confidence that we'll be able to accelerate the growth of both Copilot and operations within the enterprise.

Great. Thank you.

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